# Botticelli, April 2012 - Le Ministre de l'au-delà, chooser; initial Q **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [March 30, 2012, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325 "2012-03-30T21:21:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/261 "2012-04-16T16:03:59Z")
> [@Enginerd](#): > > IQ1: Are you the original bluegrass bandleader? > IQ2: Did you defeat Rommel’s forces in North Africa? > IQ3: Are you a pugnacious baseball manager known for short stints with his teams? Right on Montgomery. The bluegrass band leader was Bill Monroe. I was thinking of Billy Martin for #3, but Murtaugh fits as well, so I’ll take one DQ. DQ: Are you European? ---
**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/262 "2012-04-16T17:59:09Z")
Yup, Bill Monroe. I remember hearing his name when reading the recent obits of Earl Scruggs, but I couldn’t recall to mind Monroe’s name. SUMMARY: 1. I am a real person. 2. I am a man. 3. I am not an American. 4. I was born after 1900. 5. I am currently alive. 6. My first name does not begin with ‘M’. 7. I am not best known for achievements in political or military spheres. 8. I am best noted for achievement in the Arts, being here defined so as to include all visual arts, theatre, dance, music, literature or other creative endeavours, whether done for the entertainment of others or for the sake of the creative act itself. 9. I am European. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/263 "2012-04-16T18:40:19Z")
IQ1: Were your remains found in 1999, 75 years after your death? IQ2: Have you been really tryin’ to hold back this feeling for so long? IQ3: Did your band feature (at different times) musicians who would go on to play in the Rolling Stones, Cream, and Fleetwood Mac? ---
**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/264 "2012-04-16T18:58:33Z")
> [@Enginerd](#): > > IQ1: Were your remains found in 1999, 75 years after your death? > IQ2: Have you been really tryin’ to hold back this feeling for so long? > IQ3: Did your band feature (at different times) musicians who would go on to play in the Rolling Stones, Cream, and Fleetwood Mac? IQ1: Because it’s there, I’m not George Mallory. IQ2: I’m not Manfred Mann? IQ3: No idea, take a DQ. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/265 "2012-04-16T19:26:31Z")
2 was [Marvin Gaye](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j3okb3kuts), and 3 was John Mayall (of John Mayall’s Bluesbreakers). DQs: 1. Are you a musician? 2. Were you born after 1950? ---
**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/266 "2012-04-16T19:55:18Z")
SUMMARY: 1. I am a real person. 2. I am a man. 3. I am not an American. 4. I was born after 1900. 5. I am currently alive. 6. My first name does not begin with ‘M’. 7. I am not best known for achievements in political or military spheres. 8. I am best noted for achievement in the Arts, being here defined so as to include all visual arts, theatre, dance, music, literature or other creative endeavours, whether done for the entertainment of others or for the sake of the creative act itself. 9. I am European. 10. I am known to play an instrument, but would not say that my main claim to fame rests on that particular ability. 11. I was born before 1950. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/267 "2012-04-16T20:34:22Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > IQs: > > Did you pick your name from a street sign? > Did you do something that only two other men have done? > Were you a poet as well as a horseman? Correct as to Madison from _Splash_. Michael Collins is a valid answer, so I’ll rephrase: Before 1969, did you do something that only two other men have ever done? Harry “Breaker” Morant, from the Australian war movie of the same name. I’ll reserve my other DQ for now. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/268 "2012-04-17T03:05:01Z")
Three more IQs: Did you have odd ideas for proper dog care while on a long trip? After failing in Italy, did you get an academic gig in South Carolina? Were you a regular at the Diogenes Club? ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/269 "2012-04-17T03:16:40Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > IQ3: In the early days of the WWW, did you create a page featuring the Worst of the Web? > [@Wargamer](#): > > IQ3: Take a DQ. David Mirsky, who created “Mirsky’s Worst of the Web,” which he ran in 1995 and 1996. DQ: Were you born after 1925? ---
**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/270 "2012-04-17T03:21:54Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Correct as to Madison from _Splash_. > Michael Collins is a valid answer, so I’ll rephrase: Before 1969, did you do something that only two other men have ever done? > Harry “Breaker” Morant, from the Australian war movie of the same name. > > I’ll reserve my other DQ for now. > > Hmm Rephrased question - Umm, no idea. I’m not one of those guys who went to the bottom of the Marianas Trench once - in 1960-something - for twenty minutes - you know - ole what’s-his-name… > > (OK, so, take another DQ.) > > Three more IQs: > > Did you have odd ideas for proper dog care while on a long trip? > After failing in Italy, did you get an academic gig in South Carolina? > Were you a regular at the Diogenes Club? 1. I am not Mitt Romney. 2. I am not Mark Clark? (Was Allied commander in Italy during WW 2, then became President of The Citadel after his retirement. When I drove to my mother-in-law’s we took the Mark Clark Freeway - I-526) 3. No idea. So one more DQ. I count 1 reserved, one earned through rephrasing, one Diogenes DQ, and maybe one more if I’m wrong about Gen. Clark). ---
**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/271 "2012-04-17T03:23:33Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > David Mirsky, who created “Mirsky’s Worst of the Web,” which he ran in 1995 and 1996. > > DQ: Were you born after 1925? SUMMARY: 1. I am a real person. 2. I am a man. 3. I am not an American. 4. I was born after 1900. 5. I am currently alive. 6. My first name does not begin with ‘M’. 7. I am not best known for achievements in political or military spheres. 8. I am best noted for achievement in the Arts, being here defined so as to include all visual arts, theatre, dance, music, literature or other creative endeavours, whether done for the entertainment of others or for the sake of the creative act itself. 9. I am European. 10. I am known to play an instrument, but would not say that my main claim to fame rests on that particular ability. 11. I was born before 1950. 12. I was born after 1925. (So, for those of you keeping score, I was born between 1925 and 1950.) ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/272 "2012-04-17T03:32:54Z")
IQ1: Do you play a mod British spy who loves to shag? IQ2: Did you write a piece of music that attempted to interpret pictures at an exhibition? IQ3: Was one of your daughters known as a nanny, and the other as a teacher named Miss Bliss? ---
**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/273 "2012-04-17T03:37:00Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > IQ1: Do you play a mod British spy who loves to shag? > > IQ2: Did you write a piece of music that attempted to interpret pictures at an exhibition? > > IQ3: Was one of your daughters known as a nanny, and the other as a teacher named Miss Bliss? 1. I’m not Mike Myers. 2. No idea - take a DQ. 3. Another DQ. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/274 "2012-04-17T14:54:04Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Three more IQs: > > Did you have odd ideas for proper dog care while on a long trip? > After failing in Italy, did you get an academic gig in South Carolina? > Were you a regular at the Diogenes Club? Correct as to Mitt Romney. Likewise as to Mark Clark (his flop was at Anzio). Mycroft Holmes, older and fatter brother of Sherlock, could usually be found after hours at the Diogenes Club in Pall Mall. Did you want to answer my rephrased question from earlier: Before 1969, did you do something that only two other men have ever done? Two DQs for now, then: Are you British? Are you an author? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/275 "2012-04-17T15:09:40Z")
Hope this is useful: [Botticelli - the letters we've used so far - Thread Games - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=648663) ---
**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/276 "2012-04-17T15:28:22Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Correct as to Mitt Romney. > Likewise as to Mark Clark (his flop was at Anzio). > Mycroft Holmes, older and fatter brother of Sherlock, could usually be found after hours at the Diogenes Club in Pall Mall. > > Did you want to answer my rephrased question from earlier: Before 1969, did you do something that only two other men have ever done? > > Two DQs for now, then: > > Are you British? > Are you an author? I have no idea about the rephrased question. Take a DQ. SUMMARY: 1. I am a real person. 2. I am a man. 3. I am not an American. 4. I was born after 1900. 5. I am currently alive. 6. My first name does not begin with ‘M’. 7. I am not best known for achievements in political or military spheres. 8. I am best noted for achievement in the Arts, being here defined so as to include all visual arts, theatre, dance, music, literature or other creative endeavours, whether done for the entertainment of others or for the sake of the creative act itself. 9. I am European. 10. I am known to play an instrument, but would not say that my main claim to fame rests on that particular ability. 11. I was born before 1950. 12. I was born after 1925. (So, for those of you keeping score, I was born between 1925 and 1950.) 13. I am British. 14. While I have written more than one book, I am not noted for being an author. In fact, these books were more in the line of a memoir. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/277 "2012-04-17T15:33:51Z")
IQ1: Are you the man with the horn? IQ2: Were you an occasional drummer with The Band? IQ3: Are you a producer for The Beatles? ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/278 "2012-04-17T15:53:30Z")
IQ1: Are you an acclaimed actor and a wizard of a gay rights activist? IQ2: Do you enjoy a bit of the ultraviolence accompanied by Ludwig Van? IQ3: Did you and your wife form an early noise-rock band based around unorthodox guitar sounds? ---
**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/279 "2012-04-17T16:03:22Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > IQ3: Are you a producer for The Beatles? \*\*YES, I am George Martin, \*\*producer extraordinaire, AKA The Fifth Beatle! Congrats **Le Ministre de l’au-delà** , and you’re up again! ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/280 "2012-04-17T17:23:37Z")
Congratulations, **Le Ministre**! **Wargamer** , you were correct as to Mike Myers, but I’ll address the other two, so as not to leave anyone hanging: > [@Spoons](#): > > IQ2: Did you write a piece of music that attempted to interpret pictures at an exhibition? > > IQ3: Was one of your daughters known as a nanny, and the other as a teacher named Miss Bliss? IQ2 was Modest Mussorgsky, who wrote the “Pictures at an Exhibition” suite for piano. IQ3 was John Mills, the British actor. He was father to Juliet Mills, who played the title role in _Nanny and the Professor_; and Hayley Mills who (in addition to the Disney films she was in as a child), appeared as the teacher Miss Bliss in _Good Morning Miss Bliss_, the precursor to _Saved by the Bell_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325.md?page=15)