# Botticelli, April 2012 - Le Ministre de l'au-delà, chooser; initial Q **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [March 30, 2012, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325 "2012-03-30T21:21:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2012, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/461 "2012-04-28T20:16:01Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > IQ1: Are you the title character of a Bellini opera? > > IQ2: Are you the title character of a Verdi opera? > > IQ3: Are you the producer of “All in the Family” and its many spinoffs? IQ3: Not Norman Lear. Take DQs for the other 2. > [@Spoons](#): > > I’ll take one DQ now, and wait for your go-ahead on the Nicely-Nicely Johnson question. > > DQ: First appeared before 1975? No. Take a DQ for Nicely-Nicely as I was flat out wrong. > [@Spoons](#): > > IQ1: Do you terrorize ROTC cadets while riding a white horse? > > IQ2: Do you live in Toyland, where your friends include Big Ears and Tessie Bear? > > IQ3: Did you earn your medical degree from the Hollywood Upstairs Medical College? IQ2: Not Noddy. As a Yank, I’m not familiar with the series, but I remember a recent Cafe Society thread on Noddy and Big Ears. IQ3: Not Dr. Nick Riviera from _The Simpsons_ (“Seriously, baby, I can prescribe anything.”) Take a DQ for #1. Summary: N 1. Not a real person 2. ‘N’ is not first letter of last name. 3. Male 4. Not American 5. First appeared in a television show or movie. 6. Original work in which I first appeared was in English. 7. Did not first appear in a TV show (see caveat in post 455) 8. Did not first appear in European media 9. Appeared in live action work 10. First appeared before 1990. 11. Did not first appear in a work of science fiction. 12. British. 13. First appeared after 1960. 14. First appeared after 1975. Outstanding DQs : Enginerd - 1 Elendil’s Heir - 2 Spoons - 2 Le MInistre - 2 ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2012, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/462 "2012-04-28T21:03:13Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > IQs: > > Were two famous actors nearby at the time of your death? > Does your statue stand outside CIA HQ in Langley, Va.? > Did JFK call to wish you happy birthday just days before he died? When Natalie Wood drowned, her husband Robert Wagner and her maybe-lover Christopher Walken were both aboard the boat. Correct, Nathan Hale. This was John Nance Garner, FDR’s first VP, who was in his nineties when JFK made his fateful visit to Texas (his middle name always appears when he’s referred to). I guess we can stop asking IQs, as we have enough for 21 DQs now. I don’t think I know this fictional non-sf British guy from after 1975. I yield my two DQs to whoever’d like to ask them. ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2012, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/463 "2012-04-28T22:49:05Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > IQ1: Do you terrorize ROTC cadets while riding a white horse? > [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#): > > Take a DQ for #1. I just figured out this is Needermeyer from _Animal House_. What are the rules on rescinding DQs after they’ve been granted but before they’ve been asked? In fairness, you should keep the DQ. ---
**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/464 "2012-04-30T13:41:21Z")
Hmm, I’m stumped. So just bumping the thread for others who know more about BritTV to answer. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/465 "2012-04-30T14:02:38Z")
> [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#): > > I just figured out this is Needermeyer from _Animal House_. What are the rules on rescinding DQs after they’ve been granted but before they’ve been asked? In fairness, you should keep the DQ. It is indeed Niedermeyer. I’m stumped too, I have to admit. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/466 "2012-04-30T14:21:25Z")
All right, I’ll ask my two DQs: Comic figure? Leading man? ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/467 "2012-04-30T15:18:34Z")
Just some side talk - the character is British, but the film in which he appears is not, right? And just to seek clarification, the ‘first appeared’ dates are referring to the film, not to the original TV pilot that no one but the most dedicated fan-boy would ever have heard of, right? Hmm, it might be worth finding out the genre of the film - so far, all we have is not science fiction. Spy? Mystery? Action? Comedy? Western? Pondering… ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/468 "2012-04-30T16:24:14Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > All right, I’ll ask my two DQs: > > Comic figure? > Leading man? Which definition of “comic”? A character from a comic book? Or a character from a comedy? Not really. I am a main character, but not \*the \* (singular) main character. A main character in ensemble work. > [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > Just some side talk - the character is British, but the film in which he appears is not, right? That is correct. > [@](#): > > And just to seek clarification, the ‘first appeared’ dates are referring to the film, not to the original TV pilot that no one but the most dedicated fan-boy would ever have heard of, right? Actually, both appeared in the 1976-1989 time frame, with about a 5 year gap between them. Summary: N 1. Not a real person 2. ‘N’ is not first letter of last name. 3. Male 4. Not American 5. First appeared in a television show or movie. 6. Original work in which I first appeared was in English. 7. Did not first appear in a TV show (see caveat in post 455) 8. Did not first appear in European media 9. Appeared in live action work 10. First appeared before 1990. 11. Did not first appear in a work of science fiction. 12. British. 13. First appeared after 1960. 14. First appeared after 1975. 15. Not the leading man, but a main character in ensemble work. Outstanding DQs : Enginerd - 1 Elendil’s Heir - 1 (awaiting clarification on “comic figure”) Spoons - 2 Le MInistre - 2 ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/469 "2012-04-30T16:25:07Z")
> [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#): > > Which definition of “comic”? A character from a comic book? Or a character from a comedy?.. The latter. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/470 "2012-04-30T16:26:59Z")
In that case, then yes, I am a comic figure. Summary: N 1. Not a real person 2. ‘N’ is not first letter of last name. 3. Male 4. Not American 5. First appeared in a television show or movie. 6. Original work in which I first appeared was in English. 7. Did not first appear in a TV show (see caveat in post 455) 8. Did not first appear in European media 9. Appeared in live action work 10. First appeared before 1990. 11. Did not first appear in a work of science fiction. 12. British. 13. First appeared after 1960. 14. First appeared after 1975. 15. Not the leading man, but a main character in ensemble work. 16. Comic figure, in the comedic sense of the phrase Outstanding DQs : Enginerd - 1 Spoons - 2 Le MInistre - 2 ---
**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/471 "2012-04-30T16:33:38Z")
IQ1: Were you the lead singer of a band with atrocious luck in percussionists? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/472 "2012-04-30T18:26:06Z")
We don’t need any more IQs… unless you want to ask a DQ before **Enginerd, Spoons** and **Le Ministre** , I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/473 "2012-04-30T18:38:39Z")
I got the feeling that it was a pointed IQ - there is someone who fulfills the requirements of both the IQ and the summary, who could very well be the person that **ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness** has chosen. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/474 "2012-04-30T19:03:21Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > We don’t need any more IQs… unless you want to ask a DQ before **Enginerd, Spoons** and **Le Ministre** , I guess. Sorry for my absence - ridiculous last couple of days. Assuming **Wargamer** didn’t nail it, anyone else is welcome to my DQ. ---
**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/475 "2012-04-30T20:24:46Z")
Yes, this is more of a straight guess to see if I’m right rather than a search for another IQ. And btw, this guess goes to 11. ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/476 "2012-04-30T20:28:12Z")
> [@Wargamer](#): > > IQ1: Were you the lead singer of a band with atrocious luck in percussionists? Yes, I am Nigel Tufnel, lead _guitarist_ for Spinal Tap, and owner of amps that go to 11. (David St. Hubbins is the singer). I was inspired by the last round while trying to come up with British ‘T’ guitarists. Prior to the 1984 release of _This is Spinal Tap_, Rob Reiner and company produced a sketch comedy pilot for ABC called “The T.V. Show”. This included a mock video for a Spinal Tap tune, _Rock and Roll Nightmare_. This clip was included as a bonus item on the Critereon Laser Disc (remember those?) release of the film. As far as I know, it has not yet shown up on a DVD or Blu-Ray release. Congrats, Wargamer!! ---
**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/477 "2012-04-30T22:09:22Z")
[Mel Allen] Well, how about that![/Mel Allen] I think this might be an appropriate time to start a whole new thread, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/478 "2012-04-30T22:20:41Z")
An excellent time. Well done, **Wargamer**! ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/479 "2012-04-30T22:25:12Z")
Good job, **Wargamer**! When I saw your “IQ,” I immediately went :smack:, as I knew that had to be who we were looking for. Well done! ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/480 "2012-04-30T23:35:45Z")
Congrats, **Wargamer**! I had the same reaction as **Spoons** - that was a good one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325.md?page=25)