# Botticelli, April 2012 - Le Ministre de l'au-delà, chooser; initial Q **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [March 30, 2012, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325 "2012-03-30T21:21:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/161 "2012-04-10T12:56:30Z")
> [@Enginerd](#): > > I won’t sue, but I can make no promises on behalf of the batshit insane [Orly Taitz](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orly_Taitz). > DQ6: Are you an animal? Summary (includes **Baffle’s** and **Elendil’s Heir’s** DQs) 1. I am not real. 2. I am male. 3. No, I am not a character from a book. 4. Hmm, I have to say yes, I am an adult. 5. I am not human. 6. Hmm, that’s a tough one, but I would have to say no. (In the sense that there is no classical taxonomical description for my species…or whatever it is that I am.) 7. Yes, I was created since 1960. 8. No, I did not first appear in a book. 9. Yes, I was created in the 1900’s. 10. No, I do not appear in any mythologies of the ancient world. 11. I do not appear in the works of Shakespeare. > [@Elendil's Heir](#): > > DQs: > > Were you created since 1960? > Did you first appear in a book? > > IQs: > > Were you commendably persistent in trying to date an older woman at your workplace? > Did you suspect your #2 guy of not trying hard enough? > Did your boss change clothes when his big plan went awry? 3 more DQs, although I think I’m gonna slap myself when DQ 2 is revealed. > [@spoons](#): > > IQ1: Did you score the Stanley Cup winning goal in 1970? > > IQ2: Do you use a bowler hat as a weapon? > > IQ3: Did you once compare cucumbers in the supermarket with the Dean’s wife? 1. I am not Number 4, Bobby Orr. 2. I am not Oddjob from _Goldfinger_. 3. I am not Otter from _Animal House_. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/162 "2012-04-10T13:12:02Z")
IQ1: Do you hide in plain sight as a big rig? IQ2: Are you an Americana and bluegrass multi-instrumentalist? IQ3: Are you an outlaw biker whose wife and father were killed by members of your club? ---
**Author:** ![Pixel\_Dent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bc8723/32.png) [@Pixel\_Dent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pixel_Dent)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/163 "2012-04-10T13:55:35Z")
IQ1: Are you Clank’s father who created The Great Clock? IQ2: Are you a lyrist who travelled with Jason IQ3: Are you often kidnapped and then rescued by a sailor? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/164 "2012-04-10T17:05:12Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Were you commendably persistent in trying to date an older woman at your workplace? > Did you suspect your #2 guy of not trying hard enough? > Did your boss change clothes when his big plan went awry? Barack Obama had to ask several times before his future wife Michelle, a more senior lawyer at his law firm, agreed to go out with him. Commodore Oliver Hazard Perry thought his second-in-command at the Battle of Lake Erie might have been hanging back in the early stages of the battle. Oddjob’s boss Auric Goldfinger had a U.S. Army uniform under his coat, which he used to escape when his plan to hold up Ft. Knox went pear-shaped I see we have another Oddjob question already, so I’ll just ask two DQs: Are you bigger than the average human being? Do you have fur? IQs: Did Ben Kingsley play you in late 1985? Did a guy named Hartman point to your “accomplishment”? Did the Fanuccis do your tailoring? ---
**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/165 "2012-04-10T17:41:13Z")
> [@Enginerd](#): > > IQ1: Do you hide in plain sight as a big rig? > IQ2: Are you an Americana and bluegrass multi-instrumentalist? > IQ3: Are you an outlaw biker whose wife and father were killed by members of your club? 1. I am not Optimus Prime. DQs for 2 and 3. > [@Pixel\_Dent](#): > > IQ1: Are you Clank’s father who created The Great Clock? > IQ2: Are you a lyrist who travelled with Jason > IQ3: Are you often kidnapped and then rescued by a sailor? 1. No idea - DQ. 2. I am not Orpheus (?). If I am someone else take a DQ. 3. I am not Olive Oyl. > [@Elendil's Heir](#): > > Are you bigger than the average human being? > Do you have fur? > > IQs: > > Did Ben Kingsley play you in late 1985? > Did a guy named Hartman point to your “accomplishment”? > Did the Fanuccis do your tailoring? No idea - 3 more DQs. Summary: 1. I am not real. 2. I am male. 3. No, I am not a character from a book. 4. Hmm, I have to say yes, I am an adult. 5. I am not human. 6. Hmm, that’s a tough one, but I would have to say no. (In the sense that there is no classical taxonomical description for my species…or whatever it is that I am.) 7. Yes, I was created since 1960. 8. No, I did not first appear in a book. 9. Yes, I was created in the 1900’s. 10. No, I do not appear in any mythologies of the ancient world. 11. I do not appear in the works of Shakespeare. 12. I am not bigger than the average human being. 13. I do have fur. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/166 "2012-04-10T17:59:39Z")
Are answers 3 and 8 duplicative? Could we get a do-over? > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > IQs: > > Did Ben Kingsley play you in late 1985? > Did a guy named Hartman point to your “accomplishment”? > Did the Fanuccis do your tailoring? I had the pleasure of seeing Kingsley play Othello in London back then. Gunnery Sgt. Hartman in _Full Metal Jacket_ noted that Lee Harvey Oswald, with a single rifle, changed the course of history. Sylvester Stallone’s lead character in the movie _Oscar_. DQs: Are you a comics character? Were you created by a Japanese person? Have you appeared in a movie? IQs: Were you a noted architect’s second wife? Were you an officer of one country who became a hero of another? Were you a peer of Szell and Fiedler? ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/167 "2012-04-10T20:37:44Z")
IQ1: Are you a Roman emperor famous for the brevity of your reign? IQ2: Are you the judge of a deadly fencing match before the king? IQ3: Are you pursued by the Furies for avenging your father’s murder? ---
**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/168 "2012-04-10T21:36:25Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Are answers 3 and 8 duplicative? Could we get a do-over? > > I had the pleasure of seeing Kingsley play Othello in London back then. > Gunnery Sgt. Hartman in _Full Metal Jacket_ noted that Lee Harvey Oswald, with a single rifle, changed the course of history. > Sylvester Stallone’s lead character in the movie _Oscar_. > > DQs: > > Are you a comics character? > Were you created by a Japanese person? > Have you appeared in a movie? > > IQs: > > Were you a noted architect’s second wife? > Were you an officer of one country who became a hero of another? > Were you a peer of Szell and Fiedler? Summary: (Do Over allowed.) 1. I am not real. 2. I am male. 3. No, I am not a character from a book. 4. Hmm, I have to say yes, I am an adult. 5. I am not human. 6. Hmm, that’s a tough one, but I would have to say no. (In the sense that there is no classical taxonomical description for my species…or whatever it is that I am.) 7. Yes, I was created since 1960. 8. No, I did not first appear in a book, dammit. 9. Yes, I was created in the 1900’s. 10. No, I do not appear in any mythologies of the ancient world. 11. I do not appear in the works of Shakespeare. 12. I am not bigger than the average human being. 13. I do have fur. 14. While I have appeared in comics, I am not known mainly as a comics character. EDIT: In fact, almost no one would think of me as a comics character. 15. I was not created by a Japanese person. 16. I have appeared in a movie. IQs: Nope, no clue. More DQs. > [@Le Ministre de l'au-delà](#): > > IQ1: Are you a Roman emperor famous for the brevity of your reign? > > IQ2: Are you the judge of a deadly fencing match before the king? > > IQ3: Are you pursued by the Furies for avenging your father’s murder? 1. No I’m not Octavian, famed short reigning Caesar of only some 41 or so years. (If 41 years isn’t short by your standards, then you can take a DQ.) 🙂 2. I know it’s not Ophelia, since she’s dead before the fencing scene in Hamlet, but I have no clue of the character’s name. So, another DQ. 3. Is this another one of those Oedipus questions? If not, have a DQ. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/169 "2012-04-11T00:19:04Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > IQ1: Are you a Roman emperor famous for the brevity of your reign? > > IQ2: Are you the judge of a deadly fencing match before the king? > > IQ3: Are you pursued by the Furies for avenging your father’s murder? > [@Wargamer](#): > > 1. No I’m not Octavian, famed short reigning Caesar of only some 41 or so years. > (If 41 years isn’t short by your standards, then you can take a DQ.) 🙂 > > 2. I know it’s not Ophelia, since she’s dead before the fencing scene in Hamlet, but I have no clue of the character’s name. So, another DQ. > > 3. Is this another one of those Oedipus questions? If not, have a DQ. 1. Well, I was thinking more of **Otho** , one of the four emperors in the infamous ‘Year of the Four Emperors’ (69 AD). 2. Right play - **Osric** is the fop who shows up to let Hamlet know that Laertes has challenged him to a match. “A hit, a most palpable hit!” is one of his best known lines… 3. Not Oedipus, but **Orestes**. In killing Aegisthus and Clytaemnestra both, he sets the Furies on himself for matricide. DQ: Are you of extra-terrestrial origin? I’ll reserve my remaining 2 DQs, if I may… ---
**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/170 "2012-04-11T01:58:13Z")
Summary 1. I am not real. 2. I am male. 3. No, I am not a character from a book. 4. Hmm, I have to say yes, I am an adult. 5. I am not human. 6. Hmm, that’s a tough one, but I would have to say no. (In the sense that there is no classical taxonomical description for my species…or whatever it is that I am.) 7. Yes, I was created since 1960. 8. No, I did not first appear in a book, dammit. 9. Yes, I was created in the 1900’s. 10. No, I do not appear in any mythologies of the ancient world. 11. I do not appear in the works of Shakespeare. 12. I am not bigger than the average human being. 13. I do have fur. 14. While I have appeared in comics, I am not known mainly as a comics character. EDIT: In fact, almost no one would think of me as a comics character. 15. I was not created by a Japanese person. 16. I have appeared in a movie. 17. There is no evidence that I am from someplace other than Earth, but I don’t think it has ever been addressed in a definitive matter. (I won’t count this as a DQ, because I can’t give a definite answer.) Reservations are OK with me (since I did it on the Marconi one. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/171 "2012-04-11T02:25:01Z")
Hmm… DQ2: Are you regarded as an evil character? DQ3: The movie in which you appeared - was it some form of animation? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/172 "2012-04-11T02:47:03Z")
Thanks for the do-over. > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > IQs: > > Were you a noted architect’s second wife? > Were you an officer of one country who became a hero of another? > Were you a peer of Szell and Fiedler? Oligvanna (sp?) Wright, married to Frank Lloyd Wright. Orde Wingate, a British officer who became an early hero of Israel. Eugene Ormandy, the great conductor. DQs: Are you best known from appearances in American media? Are you modeled after a particular kind of real animal? Were you created since 1980? IQs: Did you and your sibling sing together on Seventies TV? Were you elected to JFK’s old Congressional seat? Did a blind judge frustrate you? ---
**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/173 "2012-04-11T02:48:23Z")
Summary 1. I am not real. 2. I am male. 3. No, I am not a character from a book. 4. Hmm, I have to say yes, I am an adult. 5. I am not human. 6. Hmm, that’s a tough one, but I would have to say no. (In the sense that there is no classical taxonomical description for my species…or whatever it is that I am.) 7. Yes, I was created since 1960. 8. No, I did not first appear in a book, dammit. 9. Yes, I was created in the 1900’s. 10. No, I do not appear in any mythologies of the ancient world. 11. I do not appear in the works of Shakespeare. 12. I am not bigger than the average human being. 13. I do have fur. 14. While I have appeared in comics, I am not known mainly as a comics character. EDIT: In fact, almost no one would think of me as a comics character. 15. I was not created by a Japanese person. 16. I have appeared in a movie. 17. There is no evidence that I am from someplace other than Earth, but I don’t think it has ever been addressed in a definitive matter. (I won’t count this as a DQ, because I can’t give a definite answer.) 18. Evil? No, not really evil. Maybe not nice, but not evil. 19. The movie was not animated. ---
**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/174 "2012-04-11T02:51:52Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Thanks for the do-over. > > Oligvanna (sp?) Wright, married to Frank Lloyd Wright. > Orde Wingate, a British officer who became an early hero of Israel. > Eugene Ormandy, the great conductor. > > DQs: > > Are you best known from appearances in American media? > Are you modeled after a particular kind of real animal? > Were you created since 1980? > > IQs: > > Did you and your sibling sing together on Seventies TV? > Were you elected to JFK’s old Congressional seat? > Did a blind judge frustrate you? Summary 1. I am not real. 2. I am male. 3. No, I am not a character from a book. 4. Hmm, I have to say yes, I am an adult. 5. I am not human. 6. Hmm, that’s a tough one, but I would have to say no. (In the sense that there is no classical taxonomical description for my species…or whatever it is that I am.) 7. Yes, I was created since 1960. 8. No, I did not first appear in a book, dammit. 9. Yes, I was created in the 1900’s. 10. No, I do not appear in any mythologies of the ancient world. 11. I do not appear in the works of Shakespeare. 12. I am not bigger than the average human being. 13. I do have fur. 14. While I have appeared in comics, I am not known mainly as a comics character. EDIT: In fact, almost no one would think of me as a comics character. 15. I was not created by a Japanese person. 16. I have appeared in a movie. 17. There is no evidence that I am from someplace other than Earth, but I don’t think it has ever been addressed in a definitive matter. (I won’t count this as a DQ, because I can’t give a definite answer.) 18. Evil? No, not really evil. Maybe not nice, but not evil. 19. The movie was not animated. 20. Yes, I am an American media object. 21. I am not modeled on a real animal. 22. I was created before 1980. (So, between 1960 and 1980) IQs 1. I am neither Donny nor Marie Osmond 2. No idea - take a DQ. 3. I am not Officer Obie, bane of littering folk singers everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/175 "2012-04-11T03:02:05Z")
> [@Enginerd](#): > > IQ2: Are you an Americana and bluegrass multi-instrumentalist? > IQ3: Are you an outlaw biker whose wife and father were killed by members of your club? These were Tim O’Brien and Opie Winston (Sons of Anarchy character). Since we’ve hit 20 DQs, I think we’re down to specific guesses, right? ---
**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/176 "2012-04-11T03:04:19Z")
Not sure. I’ll answer the outstanding DQs, since you earned them at the very least. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/177 "2012-04-11T03:12:33Z")
I kind of feel like that’s cheating, so I’ll just try a specific guess: are you Oscar the Grouch? ---
**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/178 "2012-04-11T03:21:41Z")
YES! I am **Oscar the Grouch**! Congratulations **Enginerd**! Oscar first appeared on Sesame Street back in 1969. Interestingly enough, he was originally orange-furred, but changed over to his more familiar green shortly after his debut. Oscar appeared in one movie that I’m aware of, _Follow That Bird!_ about Big Bird’s adventures in being adopted by a family far away from Sesame Street, and BB’s return to his home. The wiki on Oscar isn’t clear on what he is, other than a ‘monster’, so I tried to be as clear as I could. I hope I didn’t throw anyone off with an unclear DQ answer. Congrats again! ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/179 "2012-04-11T04:14:05Z")
Woohoo - thanks, **Wargamer**! I was Oscar the grouch for Halloween a few years ago, mostly as an excuse to dye my beard green. I don’t think orange would have been as good a fit. You guys can get started on the next round and I’ll catch up tomorrow morning. This time we’ll go with the letter **L**. ---
**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/180 "2012-04-11T12:31:36Z")
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