# Botticelli - April 2023

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2023/982093>\
**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [April 3, 2023, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2023/982093 "2023-04-03T16:37:19Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
**Page:** 8

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [April 20, 2023, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2023/982093/141 "2023-04-20T21:30:02Z")

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I.

1. fictional
2. created before 1920
3. first name begins with I
4. created by a European author or authors
5. last name does not start with I

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [April 20, 2023, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2023/982093/142 "2023-04-20T22:29:58Z")

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Pfui, I shoulda read the DQs better. Ah, me.

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**Author:** ![kitap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b9e5f3/32.png) [@kitap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kitap)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2023, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2023/982093/143 "2023-04-21T04:33:47Z")

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1. Are you one of the Mandrell sisters?
2. Did you work for U.N.C.L.E.?
3. Are you the heroic young prince in **Rinkitink in Oz**?

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**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2023, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2023/982093/144 "2023-04-21T13:35:01Z")

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IQ1: Were you the first person to claim the title of tsar of Russia?  
IQ2: Were you the first person to be crowned tsar of Russia?  
IQ3: Did Solzhenitsyn tell us about one day in your life?

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2023, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2023/982093/145 "2023-04-21T13:54:45Z")

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IQs:

1. Are you the eponymous hero of a Sir Walter Scott novel?
2. Were you a comic and musician on Kay Kyser’s radio show?
3. Did the BBC name you “Woman of the Millennium”?

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**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2023, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2023/982093/146 "2023-04-21T15:52:57Z")

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DQ

1. Were your first words a request to call you by your name?
2. Are you a Mesopotamian fertility goddess?
3. Did Neal Stephenson write a ponderous trilogy of historical fiction centered around you?

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2023, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2023/982093/147 "2023-04-21T16:47:15Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> > [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#):
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> > IQ1: Should I hit you with my rhythm stick?  
> > IQ2: Have you portrayed a hobbit, an android, and Napoleon?  
> > IQ3: Did you sing about all the young dudes?
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> Dunno, not the late lamented Ian Holm (in _LOTR, Alien_ and _Time Bandits_), and dunno.

Ian Dury of Ian Dury and the Blockheads  
Yes, Ian Holm  
Ian Hunter, lead singer for Mott the Hoople

Ian x3

DQ1: From a prose work?  
DQ2: Creator from the British Isles?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2023, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2023/982093/148 "2023-04-21T18:01:23Z")

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> [@kitap](#):
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> 1. Are you one of the Mandrell sisters?
> 2. Did you work for U.N.C.L.E.?
> 3. Are you the heroic young prince in **Rinkitink in Oz**?

Not Iris, not Ilya Kuryakin (sp?), not Iira.

> [@SCAdian](#):
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> IQ1: Were you the first person to claim the title of tsar of Russia?  
> IQ2: Were you the first person to be crowned tsar of Russia?  
> IQ3: Did Solzhenitsyn tell us about one day in your life?

Not Ivan, not the other Ivan, and not Ivan Denisovich.

> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#):
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> IQs:
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> 1. Are you the eponymous hero of a Sir Walter Scott novel?
> 2. Were you a comic and musician on Kay Kyser’s radio show?
> 3. Did the BBC name you “Woman of the Millennium”?

Not Ivanhoe, dunno and dunno.

> [@Buck\_Godot](#):
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> DQ
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> 1. Were your first words a request to call you by your name?
> 2. Are you a Mesopotamian fertility goddess?
> 3. Did Neal Stephenson write a ponderous trilogy of historical fiction centered around you?

Dunno, not Isis and not Iphegenia.

I.

1. fictional
2. created before 1920
3. first name begins with I
4. created by a European author or authors
5. last name does not start with I
6. from a prose work
7. creator from the British Isles

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**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2023, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2023/982093/149 "2023-04-21T19:27:55Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Dunno, not Isis and not Iphegenia.

> [@Buck\_Godot](#):
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> 1. Were your first words a request to call you by your name?
> 2. Are you a Mesopotamian fertility goddess?
> 3. Did Neal Stephenson write a ponderous trilogy of historical fiction centered around you?

Dunno, not Isis and not Iphegenia.

1. “Call me Ishmael” -Moby Dick
2. Questionable, Egypt isn’t Mesopotamia, but Isis was also a fertility goddess whose worship may have extended to that region and who legend may have derived from the goddess I was thinking of so I’ll redirect.
3. Neal Stephenson may have written some books in which Iphegenia played a role but I don’t think he wrote a trilogy centered around her. I was thinking of Isaac Newton, the central character in his Baroque Cycle.

2DQs reserved until I have time to think about them.

Redirect which probably gives it away: Are you a Mesopotamian fertility goddess whose name was used in the title of an (IMHO highly underrated) Dustin Hoffman film.

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**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2023, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2023/982093/150 "2023-04-21T20:57:18Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Not Ivan, not the other Ivan,

Do we let him get away with this?

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**Author:** ![kitap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b9e5f3/32.png) [@kitap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kitap)\
**Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2023/982093/151 "2023-04-22T01:49:08Z")

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> [@kitap](#):
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> 1. Are you one of the Mandrell sisters?
> 2. Did you work for U.N.C.L.E.?
> 3. Are you the heroic young prince in **Rinkitink in Oz**?

Irleen, correct, Prince Inga.

DQs:

1. Protagonist?
2. Male?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2023/982093/152 "2023-04-22T03:47:15Z")

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I’m not Ishtar, **Buck.**

> [@SCAdian](#):
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> > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> > Not Ivan, not the other Ivan,
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> Do we let him get away with this?

I vote yes. 😉

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2023/982093/153 "2023-04-22T03:48:22Z")

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I.

1. fictional
2. created before 1920
3. first name begins with I
4. created by a European author or authors
5. last name does not start with I
6. from a prose work
7. creator from the British Isles
8. antagonist, of sorts
9. female

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2023/982093/154 "2023-04-22T14:20:10Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#):
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> > IQs:
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> > 1. Are you the eponymous hero of a Sir Walter Scott novel?
> > 2. Were you a comic and musician on Kay Kyser’s radio show?
> > 3. Did the BBC name you “Woman of the Millennium”?
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> Not Ivanhoe, dunno and dunno.

Correct on Invanhoe.  
#2 was Ish Kabibble.  
#3 was Indira Gandhi.

DQ Created before 1800?

1 DQ reserved.

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2023/982093/155 "2023-04-22T14:21:21Z")

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> [@SCAdian](#):
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> > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> > Not Ivan, not the other Ivan,
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> Do we let him get away with this?

I’ve gone around with EH a couple of times over this. When he hosts, he gets to decide these things, it would appear. The best answer I’ve got is to ask politely for full names.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2023/982093/156 "2023-04-22T19:22:50Z")

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Sure. Not Ivan the Terrible, and not Ivan the Terrible. One of ‘em’s probably right.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2023/982093/157 "2023-04-22T19:23:39Z")

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I.

1. fictional
2. created before 1920
3. first name begins with I
4. created by a European author or authors
5. last name does not start with I
6. from a prose work
7. creator from the British Isles
8. antagonist, of sorts
9. female
10. created after 1800

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2023/982093/158 "2023-04-22T20:42:39Z")

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DQ: Created after 1860?

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**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\
**Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2023/982093/159 "2023-04-22T22:13:12Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> > [@SCAdian](#):
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> > IQ1: Were you the first person to claim the title of tsar of Russia?  
> > IQ2: Were you the first person to be crowned tsar of Russia?  
> > IQ3: Did Solzhenitsyn tell us about one day in your life?
> 
> Not Ivan, not the other Ivan, and not Ivan Denisovich.

> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Not Ivan the Terrible, and not Ivan the Terrible. One of ‘em’s probably right.

Ivan III  
correct (Ivan IV)  
correct

One DQ reserved.

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**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\
**Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2023/982093/160 "2023-04-22T22:25:08Z")

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IQ1: Did you compose _The Rite of Spring_?  
IQ2: Were you a helicopter designer whose company is still based in Connecticut?  
IQ3: Were you the headmaster at Durmstrang?

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