# Botticelli, Aug. 2011

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-aug-2011/591030>\
**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [August 1, 2011, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-aug-2011/591030 "2011-08-01T13:26:32Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-aug-2011/591030/141 "2011-08-14T03:00:34Z")

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Rabbit’s last name was Angstrom, BTW.

IQ: Are you a currently living actress and mother of a son who has the same first and last name as a man who pitched in the 1903 World Series?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-aug-2011/591030/142 "2011-08-14T04:12:45Z")

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> [@Sternvogel](#):
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> …IQ: Are you a currently living actress and mother of a son who has the same first and last name as a man who pitched in the 1903 World Series?

Dunno. Ask a DQ.

1. Dead
2. Not European
3. Real
4. First name starts with “R”
5. Born in the 20th century
6. Not usually thought of as a political figure, as such
7. Not a pro sportsman
8. Not American
9. Male
10. Not known for writing
11. Born north of the Equator
12. Not an entertainer of any kind
13. Not a scientist or inventor

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**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-aug-2011/591030/143 "2011-08-14T10:37:57Z")

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> IQ: Are you known for suave (arguably bordering on foppish) portrayals of men in shady professions?  
> Dunno. Ask a DQ.

You’re not Roger Moore.

DQ: Are you generally well regarded?

IQ: Are you famous for talking about Rich Corinthian Leather(as well as playing some guy in a sci fi movie)?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-aug-2011/591030/144 "2011-08-14T18:44:45Z")

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> [@Johnny\_Q](#):
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> …DQ: Are you generally well regarded?
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> IQ: Are you famous for talking about Rich Corinthian Leather(as well as playing some guy in a sci fi movie)?

No, I’m not Ricardo Montalban.

1. Dead
2. Not European
3. Real
4. First name starts with “R”
5. Born in the 20th century
6. Not usually thought of as a political figure, as such
7. Not a pro sportsman
8. Not American
9. Male
10. Not known for writing
11. Born north of the Equator
12. Not an entertainer of any kind
13. Not a scientist or inventor
14. Generally not well-regarded

That last one is a toughie. There are many who admire him very much. However, most if not all of those playing this game, I daresay, do not.

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**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-aug-2011/591030/145 "2011-08-14T22:54:22Z")

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Were you hung as a war criminal?

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**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-aug-2011/591030/146 "2011-08-14T23:28:27Z")

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> [@](#):
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> Originally Posted by **Le Ministre de l’au-delà**  
> …IQ: Was your last literary effort (of a significant body of work, including novels, poetry and essays) the libretto to the opera “The Golden Ass”, the which opera had been foreshadowed by a mention in one of your earlier novels?

> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> No, I’m not Richard Jenkins.

I’m afraid that won’t do - Richard Jenkins has not, to the best of my knowledge, written a libretto to anything. No, the author in question is Robertson Davies. ‘The Golden Ass’, based on the novel by Apuleius, music of Randolph Peters, libretto by Robertson Davies was premiered by the Canadian Opera Company in 1999. It was prefigured in Robertson Davies’ earlier novel “A Mixture of Frailties”.

DQ: Did you die in the 20th century?

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**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\
**Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-aug-2011/591030/147 "2011-08-15T03:05:45Z")

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> [@Sternvogel](#):
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> IQ: Are you a currently living actress and mother of a son who has the same first and last name as a man who pitched in the 1903 World Series?

This is Reese Witherspoon, whose son by Ryan Phillippe is named Deacon. The Deacon Phillippe who pitched Pittsburgh to victory in the Series opener is a distant relative of the younger Phillippes, even though Ryan pronounces the name with three syllables and the hurler needed just two.

DQ: Are you from Asia?

IQ: Were you a chief of the Cherokee despite your Anglo-Saxon name?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-aug-2011/591030/148 "2011-08-15T04:10:42Z")

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> [@etv78](#):
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> Were you hung as a war criminal?

“Hanged” is the correct term, I believe, and no, I’m not the Nazi diplomat Joachim (sp?) von Ribbentrop.

> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#):
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> …DQ: Did you die in the 20th century?

> [@Sternvogel](#):
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> …DQ: Are you from Asia?
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> IQ: Were you a chief of the Cherokee despite your Anglo-Saxon name?

Dunno about the Cherokee chief. Ask a DQ.

1. Dead
2. Not European
3. Real
4. First name starts with “R”
5. Born in the 20th century
6. Not usually thought of as a political figure, as such
7. Not a pro sportsman
8. Not American
9. Male
10. Not known for writing
11. Born north of the Equator
12. Not an entertainer of any kind
13. Not a scientist or inventor
14. Generally not well-regarded
15. Died in the 20th century
16. Asian

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**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\
**Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-aug-2011/591030/149 "2011-08-15T04:18:16Z")

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Were youthe Prime Minister from the Tokyo arm of the Axis?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-aug-2011/591030/150 "2011-08-15T15:19:21Z")

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> [@etv78](#):
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> Were youthe Prime Minister from the Tokyo arm of the Axis?

The only Japanese PM I know of from Axis days was Heihachiro (sp?) Togo, who was not an “R.” Were you thinking of someone else?

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**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\
**Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-aug-2011/591030/151 "2011-08-15T21:56:40Z")

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> [@Sternvogel](#):
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> IQ: Were you a chief of the Cherokee despite your Anglo-Saxon name?

John Ross led the Cherokee Nation from 1828 to '66.

DQ: Are you from a country generally considered Middle or Near Eastern?

IQ: Are you an explorer whose middle name is a kind of bird?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-aug-2011/591030/152 "2011-08-16T00:49:38Z")

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> [@Sternvogel](#):
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> John Ross led the Cherokee Nation from 1828 to '66.
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> DQ: Are you from a country generally considered Middle or Near Eastern?
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> IQ: Are you an explorer whose middle name is a kind of bird?

Never heard of John Ross. Has any other player? Might fail the as-well-known-as-Botticelli rule.

No, I’m not Robert Falcon Scott.

1. Dead
2. Not European
3. Real
4. First name starts with “R”
5. Born in the 20th century
6. Not usually thought of as a political figure, as such
7. Not a pro sportsman
8. Not American
9. Male
10. Not known for writing
11. Born north of the Equator
12. Not an entertainer of any kind
13. Not a scientist or inventor
14. Generally not well-regarded
15. Died in the 20th century
16. Asian

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**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\
**Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-aug-2011/591030/153 "2011-08-16T01:04:47Z")

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The Near and Middle East are part of the Asian continent. Could you address this in your summary (unless you’re waiting on confirmation of John Ross’s relative fame)? Too bad **Sampiro** isn’t playing, as he’s posted about Ross.

IQ: Are you a comedienne famous for such lines as “Some people build castles in the air. My mother cleans them”?

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**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\
**Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-aug-2011/591030/154 "2011-08-16T01:30:28Z")

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Did you die of natural causes?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-aug-2011/591030/155 "2011-08-16T01:53:09Z")

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> [@Sternvogel](#):
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> The Near and Middle East are part of the Asian continent. Could you address this in your summary (unless you’re waiting on confirmation of John Ross’s relative fame)? Too bad **Sampiro** isn’t playing, as he’s posted about Ross.
> 
> IQ: Are you a comedienne famous for such lines as “Some people build castles in the air. My mother cleans them”?

Yes, I’m waiting to hear if any other player has heard of Ross.

No, I’m not Roseanne Barr.

> [@etv78](#):
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> Did you die of natural causes?

No, I’m not Ronald Reagan.

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**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\
**Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-aug-2011/591030/156 "2011-08-17T01:12:19Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Never heard of John Ross. Has any other player? Might fail the as-well-known-as-Botticelli rule.

Yeah, he was the chief of the Cherokee during the Trail of Tears.

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**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\
**Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-aug-2011/591030/157 "2011-08-17T01:14:59Z")

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IQ: Are you the only Toronto Blue Jay to have your number retired?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-aug-2011/591030/158 "2011-08-17T01:59:28Z")

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> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#):
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> Yeah, he was the chief of the Cherokee during the Trail of Tears.

OK, then!

1. Dead
2. Not European
3. Real
4. First name starts with “R”
5. Born in the 20th century
6. Not usually thought of as a political figure, as such
7. Not a pro sportsman
8. Not American
9. Male
10. Not known for writing
11. Born north of the Equator
12. Not an entertainer of any kind
13. Not a scientist or inventor
14. Generally not well-regarded
15. Died in the 20th century
16. Asian
17. From a country generally considered Middle or Near Eastern

> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#):
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> IQ: Are you the only Toronto Blue Jay to have your number retired?

No, I’m not Rod Carew.

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**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\
**Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-aug-2011/591030/159 "2011-08-17T02:51:56Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> No, I’m not Rod Carew.

Sadly, Mr. Carew never played for the Toronto Blue Jays. Roberto Alomar was inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame, and the Toronto Blue Jays retired his number, 12, in July of this year; he is the first Blue Jay to have his number retired.

DQ: Did you ever kill anyone?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-aug-2011/591030/160 "2011-08-17T03:20:36Z")

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> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#):
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> Sadly, Mr. Carew never played for the Toronto Blue Jays. Roberto Alomar was inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame, and the Toronto Blue Jays retired his number, 12, in July of this year; he is the first Blue Jay to have his number retired.
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> DQ: Did you ever kill anyone?

Ah, thanks. Carew was just a stab in the dark anyway.

Do you mean personally killed, or did things (gave orders, set traps, dropped hints, etc.) that led to someone being killed?

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