# Botticelli - August 2019

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**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [August 3, 2019, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-august-2019/838104 "2019-08-03T05:08:29Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-august-2019/838104/261 "2019-08-30T18:18:03Z")

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Swept me, too!

IQs:

Was Louise the wife of your best-known character?  
Did you allegedly say, “Taxes are for little people”?  
Did Arthur C. Clarke write a short story about the destruction of your husband’s grave?

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-august-2019/838104/262 "2019-08-30T18:50:11Z")

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And swept again. Hmm.

IQs:

1. Did you write the hymn _Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God Almighty_?
2. Were you aka Rex Tyler?
3. Were you a 20th Century gossip columnist known for your hats?

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**Author:** ![De\_La\_Rue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@De\_La\_Rue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/De_La_Rue)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-august-2019/838104/263 "2019-08-30T19:20:33Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
>
> Swept me, too!
> 
> IQs:
> 
> Was Louise the wife of your best-known character?  
> Did you allegedly say, “Taxes are for little people”?  
> Did Arthur C. Clarke write a short story about the destruction of your husband’s grave?

Respectively:  
I am not William Holden.  
Take a DQ.  
I am not Helen of Troy?

> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#):
>
> And swept again. Hmm.
> 
> IQs:
> 
> 1. Did you write the hymn _Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God Almighty_?
> 2. Were you aka Rex Tyler?
> 3. Were you a 20th Century gossip columnist known for your hats?

1. Take a DQ.
2. I am not Hourman.
3. I am not Hedda Hopper.

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**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-august-2019/838104/264 "2019-08-30T19:33:20Z")

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Previous IQs:

IQ1: Were you FDR’s Secretary of Commerce, and a key architect of the New Deal and the Lend-Lease program? - Harry Hopkins

IQ2: Were a former vice-president who ran against Richard Nixon, during which campaign a famous picture was taken of a hole in your shoe sole? - I _was_ thinking of Hubert Humphrey, yes. Was it Adlai Stevenson who had the hole-in-shoe picture? In any case, correct.

IQ3: Were you an Irish-Italian mafioso-turned-F.B.I. informant, whose story was the basis of a classic Mafia movie? - Correct, Henry Hill. This was an “H.H” trifecta!

> [@De\_La\_Rue](#):
>
> …  
> IQ1: Take a DQ.  
> IQ2: Isn’t this Adlai Stevenson? Were you also thinking of Humphrey?  
> IQ3: I am not Henry Hill.

DQ: Known for the creative arts?  
IQ1: Are McDonald’s characters considered a rip-off of your show?  
IQ2: Were you a New York Times investigative journalist who covered Watergate?  
IQ3: Did you burn the topless towers of Illium?

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-august-2019/838104/265 "2019-08-30T21:13:10Z")

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> [@](#):
>
> And swept again. Hmm.
> 
> IQs:
> 
> 1. Did you write the hymn Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God Almighty?
> 2. Were you aka Rex Tyler?
> 3. Were you a 20th Century gossip columnist known for your hats?
> 4. Take a DQ.
> 5. I am not Hourman.
> 6. I am not Hedda Hopper.

#1 was Reginald Heber. Correct on the others.

1 DQ reserved.

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**Author:** ![atimnie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atimnie/32/11_2.png) [@atimnie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/atimnie)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-august-2019/838104/266 "2019-08-30T21:34:25Z")

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IQs

IQ1: Were you one of the most recorded session drummers of all time, and a member of the Baja Marimba Band?  
IQ2: Were you a Broadway producer/director who started your career with The Pajama Game?  
IQ3: Were you a musician and band leader known for the songs Got a Date with an Angel and Gloomy Sunday?

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-august-2019/838104/267 "2019-08-30T22:05:34Z")

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IQs:

1. Were you one of the three main cast members (the fat Welsh singing one who played Neddie) of the highly acclaimed BBC radio series of the 1950’s and 1960’s, _The Goon Show_?
2. Did you have a hit with the British Music Hall song _With 'Er 'Ead Tucked Underneath 'Er Arm_?
3. Did you have a hit with the British Music Hall song _A Little Bit Of Cucumber_?

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**Author:** ![De\_La\_Rue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@De\_La\_Rue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/De_La_Rue)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-august-2019/838104/268 "2019-08-30T22:19:23Z")

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> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#):
>
> IQ1: Are McDonald’s characters considered a rip-off of your show?  
> IQ2: Were you a New York Times investigative journalist who covered Watergate?  
> IQ3: Did you burn the topless towers of Illium?

IQ1: I am not H.R. Pufnstuf.  
IQ2: Take a DQ.  
IQ3: I am not Helen of Troy.

> [@atimnie](#):
>
> IQs
> 
> IQ1: Were you one of the most recorded session drummers of all time, and a member of the Baja Marimba Band?  
> IQ2: Were you a Broadway producer/director who started your career with The Pajama Game?  
> IQ3: Were you a musician and band leader known for the songs Got a Date with an Angel and Gloomy Sunday?

IQ1: Take a DQ.  
IQ2: I am not Hal Prince.  
IQ3: Take a DQ.

> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#):
>
> IQs:
> 
> 1. Were you one of the three main cast members (the fat Welsh singing one who played Neddie) of the highly acclaimed BBC radio series of the 1950’s and 1960’s, _The Goon Show_?
> 2. Did you have a hit with the British Music Hall song _With 'Er 'Ead Tucked Underneath 'Er Arm_?
> 3. Did you have a hit with the British Music Hall song _A Little Bit Of Cucumber_?

1. I am not…Henry Something? I can only think of Sellers and Milligan.
2. Take a DQ.
3. Take a DQ.

DQs:

1. real
2. male
3. first name starts with H
4. dead
5. American
6. not political/military
7. died after 1900
8. not known for the creative arts

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**Author:** ![atimnie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atimnie/32/11_2.png) [@atimnie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/atimnie)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-august-2019/838104/269 "2019-08-30T22:30:16Z")

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> [@De\_La\_Rue](#):
>
> not known for the creative arts

Well, there go all my guesses.

The drummer was Hal Blaine, the band leader was Hal Kemp.

DQs

DQ1: Were you a scientist?  
DQ2: If journalism is not considered a creative art, were you a journalist? If it is, were you an inventor?

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**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-august-2019/838104/270 "2019-08-30T22:45:20Z")

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> [@De\_La\_Rue](#):
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> IQ1: I am not H.R. Pufnstuf.  
> IQ2: Take a DQ.  
> IQ3: I am not Helen of Troy

IQ1: Correct.  
IQ2: Seymour “Si” Hersch.  
IQ3: Correct.

DQ1: Journalist?

IQ1: Were you an Anglo-Dutch actress, who suffered privation and hunger as a child in post-war Holland, leading you to become a UNICEF Goodwill Ambassador, advocating for children and refugees?

IQ2: Were you an American actress known for your tart tongue, no-nonsense attitude, and unwillingness to conform to gender norms (like preferring pants to skirts and dresses)?

IQ3: Were you first the kidnapper, then lover of Mary Queen of Scots, nicknamed the “Wizard Earl of Bothwell”?

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-august-2019/838104/271 "2019-08-30T23:50:09Z")

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> [@](#):
>
> IQs:
> 
> 1. Were you one of the three main cast members (the fat Welsh singing one who played Neddie) of the highly acclaimed BBC radio series of the 1950’s and 1960’s, The Goon Show?
> 2. Did you have a hit with the British Music Hall song With 'Er 'Ead Tucked Underneath 'Er Arm?
> 3. Did you have a hit with the British Music Hall song A Little Bit Of Cucumber?
> 4. I am not…Henry Something? I can only think of Sellers and Milligan.
> 5. Take a DQ.
> 6. Take a DQ.

#1 was Harry Secombe.  
#2 was Stanley Holloway.  
#3 was Harry Champion.

DQ: Died after 1959?

3 DQs reserved.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [August 31, 2019, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-august-2019/838104/272 "2019-08-31T04:20:46Z")

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> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#):
>
> Previous IQs:
> 
> IQ1: Were you FDR’s Secretary of Commerce, and a key architect of the New Deal and the Lend-Lease program? - Harry Hopkins…

I’d already asked about Harry Hopkins (post 253).

Previous IQs:

Was Louise the wife of your best-known character? - I’ll rephrase. Which William Holden film was this?  
Did you allegedly say, “Taxes are for little people”? - NYC hotel queen Leona Helmsley  
Did Arthur C. Clarke write a short story about the destruction of your husband’s grave? - Not Helen of Troy, but Anne Hathaway, Shakespeare’s wife

DQs:

Died after 1950?  
Best known for a single incident?

One DQ reserved.

IQs:

You are not William Holden. Was Louise the wife of your best-known character?  
Were you born in London but raised in Cleveland?  
Did you live in Troublesome Gulch?

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**Author:** ![De\_La\_Rue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@De\_La\_Rue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/De_La_Rue)\
**Post date:** [August 31, 2019, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-august-2019/838104/273 "2019-08-31T14:20:18Z")

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> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#):
>
> IQ1: Were you an Anglo-Dutch actress, who suffered privation and hunger as a child in post-war Holland, leading you to become a UNICEF Goodwill Ambassador, advocating for children and refugees?
> 
> IQ2: Were you an American actress known for your tart tongue, no-nonsense attitude, and unwillingness to conform to gender norms (like preferring pants to skirts and dresses)?
> 
> IQ3: Were you first the kidnapper, then lover of Mary Queen of Scots, nicknamed the “Wizard Earl of Bothwell”?

IQ1: Take a DQ.  
IQ2: I am not Jean Harlow?  
IQ3: Take a DQ.

> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
>
> Previous IQs:
> 
> Was Louise the wife of your best-known character? - I’ll rephrase. Which William Holden film was this?

_Network_.

> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
>
> IQs:
> 
> You are not William Holden. Was Louise the wife of your best-known character?  
> Were you born in London but raised in Cleveland?  
> Did you live in Troublesome Gulch?

Respectively:  
I can’t think of any other fictional married Louises at the moment. Take a DQ.  
Take a DQ.  
I am not Hopalong Cassidy?

DQs:

1. real
2. male
3. first name starts with H
4. dead
5. American
6. not political/military
7. died after 1900
8. not known for the creative arts
9. not a scientist
10. not a journalist
11. died after 1950
12. acclaimed in his own profession, but best known for a single thing

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [August 31, 2019, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-august-2019/838104/274 "2019-08-31T15:24:19Z")

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DQ: Known for business?  
2. Died after 1999?

2 DQS remaining

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**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\
**Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-august-2019/838104/275 "2019-09-01T01:19:44Z")

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> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#):
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> IQ1: Correct.  
> IQ2: Seymour “Si” Hersch.  
> IQ3: Correct.
> 
> DQ1: Journalist?
> 
> IQ1: Were you an Anglo-Dutch actress, who suffered privation and hunger as a child in post-war Holland, leading you to become a UNICEF Goodwill Ambassador, advocating for children and refugees?
> 
> IQ2: Were you an American actress known for your tart tongue, no-nonsense attitude, and unwillingness to conform to gender norms (like preferring pants to skirts and dresses)?
> 
> IQ3: Were you first the kidnapper, then lover of Mary Queen of Scots, nicknamed the “Wizard Earl of Bothwell”?

> [@De\_La\_Rue](#):
>
> IQ1: Take a DQ.  
> IQ2: I am not Jean Harlow?  
> IQ3: Take a DQ.

1: Audrey Hepburn. She won a Presidential Medal of Freedom for her advocacy work.  
2: Katharine Hepburn. Beginning to see a theme?  
3: James Hepburn, fourth Earl of Bothwell, and a distant ancestor of Katharine. A Hepburn trifecta! I won’t take a DQ for this, though, because I conflated him and his nephew, Francis Stewart, fifth Earl of Bothwell, who was accused of plotting with Satan, earning him the nickname.

> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
>
> I’d already asked about Harry Hopkins (post 253).

Yeah, I saw your answer after I posted my IQs. Didn’t realize Hopkins was the answer to your question.  
DQ1: Known for a crime?  
DQ2: Known for a physical or athletic feat?

IQ1: Did you ask the question, “Why can’t the English teach their children how to speak?” in song?  
IQ2: Were you the actor who played IQ1?  
IQ3: Did your lover swim the Hellespont between Europe and Asia, to come to you?

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**Author:** ![De\_La\_Rue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@De\_La\_Rue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/De_La_Rue)\
**Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-august-2019/838104/276 "2019-09-01T02:29:25Z")

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> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#):
>
> Yeah, I saw your answer after I posted my IQs. Didn’t realize Hopkins was the answer to your question.

Actually, it looks like you (SMV) asked about Hopkins first.

> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#):
>
> IQ1: Did you ask the question, “Why can’t the English teach their children how to speak?” in song?  
> IQ2: Were you the actor who played IQ1?  
> IQ3: Did your lover swim the Hellespont between Europe and Asia, to come to you?

IQ1: I am not Henry Higgins.  
IQ2: I am not Rex Harrison.  
IQ3: Take a DQ.

Slow Moving Vehicle, note that atimnie already asked about the person being a journalist, so you have one more DQ.

DQs:

1. real
2. male
3. first name starts with H
4. dead
5. American
6. not political/military
7. died after 1900
8. not known for the creative arts
9. not a scientist
10. not a journalist
11. died after 1950
12. acclaimed in his own profession, but best known for a single thing
13. not known for business
14. died before 1999
15. not known for a crime
16. known as an athlete, but single thing doesn’t relate to athletic prowess

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**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\
**Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-august-2019/838104/277 "2019-09-01T17:05:37Z")

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DQ: Noted for endorsing a product or service?

IQ1: Did you get caught soliciting the services of Foxy Brown?  
IQ2: Did you play Perseus in the first _Clash of the Titans_?  
IQ3: Did you provide the animation for the same movie?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-august-2019/838104/278 "2019-09-01T17:29:45Z")

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Ah, yes, Network. Thanks, **DLR**.

Previous IQs:

You are not William Holden. Was Louise the wife of your best-known character? - Sherman Helmsley in _All in the Family_ and _The Jeffersons_; he called her “Weezie,” of course.  
Were you born in London but raised in Cleveland? - Bob Hope  
Did you live in Troublesome Gulch? - Gary Hart

DQs:

Associated with NYC?  
Greatest fame before 1950?

Two DQs reserved.

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**Author:** ![De\_La\_Rue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@De\_La\_Rue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/De_La_Rue)\
**Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-august-2019/838104/279 "2019-09-01T18:15:22Z")

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> [@Knowed\_Out](#):
>
> IQ1: Did you get caught soliciting the services of Foxy Brown?  
> IQ2: Did you play Perseus in the first _Clash of the Titans_?  
> IQ3: Did you provide the animation for the same movie?

IQ1: Take a DQ.  
IQ2: I am not the previously-mentioned Harry Hamlin.  
IQ3: I am not Ray Harryhausen.

DQs:

1. real
2. male
3. first name starts with H
4. dead
5. American
6. not political/military
7. died after 1900
8. not known for the creative arts
9. not a scientist
10. not a journalist
11. died after 1950
12. acclaimed in his own profession, but best known for a single thing
13. not known for business
14. died before 1999
15. not known for a crime
16. known as an athlete, but single thing doesn’t relate to athletic prowess
17. noted for connection to a product or service
18. not associated with NYC
19. greatest fame in profession before 1950

Well, we’re nearing the end. Please ask all earned DQs by 5PM EDT tomorrow (9/2).

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [September 2, 2019, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-august-2019/838104/280 "2019-09-02T00:26:55Z")

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DQs:

1. unusual first name?
2. known from the Olympics?

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