# Botticelli - December 2021

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-december-2021/955496>\
**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [December 4, 2021, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-december-2021/955496 "2021-12-04T14:50:40Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
**Page:** 9

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**Author:** ![De\_La\_Rue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@De\_La\_Rue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/De_La_Rue)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2021, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-december-2021/955496/161 "2021-12-21T16:54:18Z")

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Final DQ: wrote a Christmas carol or other song associated with Christmas?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2021, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-december-2021/955496/162 "2021-12-21T20:17:25Z")

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J.

1. real
2. male
3. last name starts with J
4. dead
5. not American
6. known from the Arts
7. died before 1900
8. died after 1700
9. European
10. known, in part, from writing
11. died before 1800
12. from the British/Irish Isles
13. not known from science
14. not known for royalty/government/military
15. not a common last name
16. English
17. connected to Christmas in some way
18. known for music, in a way
19. kinda sorta wrote a Christmas carol or other song associated with Christmas

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**Author:** ![De\_La\_Rue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@De\_La\_Rue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/De_La_Rue)\
**Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-december-2021/955496/163 "2021-12-22T00:50:27Z")

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Well, while I believe I’m familiar with the songs that get played _ad nauseam_ around this time of year, I’m less knowledgeable about who wrote them.

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-december-2021/955496/164 "2021-12-22T12:42:23Z")

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Sounds like maybe he wrote a poem that was turned into a carol?

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-december-2021/955496/165 "2021-12-22T13:55:25Z")

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> [@De\_La\_Rue](#):
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> Well, while I believe I’m familiar with the songs that get played _ad nauseam_ around this time of year, I’m less knowledgeable about who wrote them.

I do happen to know a lot about that subject, but I’m still comin’ up blank.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-december-2021/955496/166 "2021-12-22T18:14:37Z")

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Please ask all earned “Are you Firstname Lastname?” questions by noon EST tomorrow.

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-december-2021/955496/167 "2021-12-23T01:58:04Z")

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I’m coming up blank. The English carols I come up with (“What Child is This?”, “Good King Wencelas”) are still too recent. Maybe whoever wrote the original tune to Greensleeves before the music was recycled for “What Child Is This?”, although I think that’s usually credited as Traditional (i.e. we have no idea)

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-december-2021/955496/168 "2021-12-23T15:17:46Z")

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Greensleeves is 16th Century or earlier, so that’s out. All I’m coming up with is Ben Jonson, but he’s too early.

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-december-2021/955496/169 "2021-12-23T15:40:45Z")

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_God Rest You Merry, Gentlemen_ is about the right age, but I don’t know who wrote that one.

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**Author:** ![De\_La\_Rue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@De\_La\_Rue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/De_La_Rue)\
**Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-december-2021/955496/170 "2021-12-23T16:06:10Z")

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Are you William Henry Jinglebells?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-december-2021/955496/171 "2021-12-23T16:07:56Z")

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Heh. I am not.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-december-2021/955496/172 "2021-12-23T17:14:13Z")

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Time’s up. I am, in fact,

# Charles Jennens

who wrote the libretto for Handel’s _Messiah_, drawing upon both Old and New Testament texts: [Charles Jennens - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Jennens)

Merry Christmas, to those who celebrate it, and Happy Holidays to all!

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-december-2021/955496/173 "2021-12-23T17:22:15Z")

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Merry Christmas, EH, and a very good choice.

Happy Holidays, everyone!

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-december-2021/955496/174 "2021-12-24T19:49:31Z")

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You, too! Our next letter is

# S

With all the holiday stuff going on around here, I may only check in once daily for the next few days.

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-december-2021/955496/175 "2021-12-24T22:20:19Z")

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IQs:

1. Are your words the source of the _Nunc Dimittis_?
2. Were you the title character of a kid’s Christmas song that was a hit for Rosemary Clooney?
3. Did the Thinker keep you as a prisoner in _Suicide Squad_?

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**Author:** ![De\_La\_Rue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@De\_La\_Rue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/De_La_Rue)\
**Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-december-2021/955496/176 "2021-12-24T23:06:54Z")

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IQs:  
1. Did you attend a US presidential inauguration in a fetching pair of mittens?  
2. Did you play BoJack Horseman’s agent/manager?  
3. According to a 1957 Christmas song by the Enchanters, is there something that we don’t know–you’re gonna do the Mambo?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-december-2021/955496/177 "2021-12-25T03:42:24Z")

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> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#):
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> IQs:
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> 1. Are your words the source of the _Nunc Dimittis_?
> 2. Were you the title character of a kid’s Christmas song that was a hit for Rosemary Clooney?
> 3. Did the Thinker keep you as a prisoner in _Suicide Squad_?

Not St. Simeon, Santa Claus or dunno.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-december-2021/955496/178 "2021-12-25T03:43:30Z")

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> [@De\_La\_Rue](#):
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> IQs:  
> 1. Did you attend a US presidential inauguration in a fetching pair of mittens?  
> 2. Did you play BoJack Horseman’s agent/manager?  
> 3. According to a 1957 Christmas song by the Enchanters, is there something that we don’t know–you’re gonna do the Mambo?

Not Bernie Sanders, dunno, and also not Santa.

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-december-2021/955496/179 "2021-12-25T17:16:34Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#):
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> > IQs:
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> > > 1. Are your words the source of the _Nunc Dimittis_ ?
> > > 2. Were you the title character of a kid’s Christmas song that was a hit for Rosemary Clooney?
> > > 3. Did the Thinker keep you as a prisoner in _Suicide Squad_ ?
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> Not St. Simeon, Santa Claus or dunno.

#1 is correct.  
#2 was Suzy Snowflake.  
#3 is Starro the Conqueror.

DQs:

1. Real?
2. Male?

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**Author:** ![De\_La\_Rue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@De\_La\_Rue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/De_La_Rue)\
**Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-december-2021/955496/180 "2021-12-25T17:18:22Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Not Bernie Sanders, dunno, and also not Santa.

2 (played BoJack’s agent) was Amy Sedaris.

DQ: last name starts with S?

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