# Botticelli:  Early December 2012

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443>\
**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [November 29, 2012, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443 "2012-11-29T05:19:12Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\
**Post date:** [November 29, 2012, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/1 "2012-11-29T05:19:12Z")

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Your letter is:

**T**.

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**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\
**Post date:** [November 29, 2012, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/2 "2012-11-29T06:35:46Z")

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IQ: Did you investigate Iran Contra, and later fail to becom SoD?

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**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\
**Post date:** [November 29, 2012, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/3 "2012-11-29T07:23:04Z")

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> [@etv78](#):
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> IQ: Did you investigate Iran Contra, and later fail to becom SoD?

Guessing at John Tower. If I’m wrong, take a DQ.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 29, 2012, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/4 "2012-11-29T14:23:31Z")

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IQs:

Are you a member of Phish?  
Were you the Rock of Chickamauga?  
Did your famous son miss your funeral, even though he could relatively easily have attended?

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**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\
**Post date:** [November 29, 2012, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/5 "2012-11-29T18:42:54Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> IQs:
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> Are you a member of Phish?  
> Were you the Rock of Chickamauga?  
> Did your famous son miss your funeral, even though he could relatively easily have attended?

I’m not Trey Anastasio of Phish. DQs for the other two.

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**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\
**Post date:** [November 29, 2012, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/6 "2012-11-29T19:11:48Z")

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I was indeed thinking Tower.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 29, 2012, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/7 "2012-11-29T21:44:44Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> IQs:
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> Are you a member of Phish?  
> Were you the Rock of Chickamauga?  
> Did your famous son miss your funeral, even though he could relatively easily have attended?

Yup, Trey.  
Maj. Gen. George H. Thomas, a nickname he won during the Civil War.  
Thomas Lincoln, who didn’t get along too well with his son Abraham.

DQs:

First name start with T?  
Male?

IQs:

Are you a noteworthy comic actress who shares a birthday with me?  
When you were a kid, did your mom insist you visit a disliked and stinky relative in the (ultimately futile) hope of getting an inheritance?  
Do you have two tiny but powerful friends and a mean babysitter?

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**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\
**Post date:** [November 29, 2012, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/8 "2012-11-29T22:05:26Z")

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IQ: Are you boring your kids to death telling them how you met their mother?

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**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\
**Post date:** [November 29, 2012, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/9 "2012-11-29T22:22:00Z")

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IQ1: Are you the Honey Badger?  
IQ2: Were you the Sergeant at Arms for the Sons of Anarchy Motorcycle Club under Clay Morrow?  
IQ3: Were you an Olympic gold medalist and undisputed champion at your sport before your life fell apart?

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**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\
**Post date:** [November 30, 2012, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/10 "2012-11-30T02:36:52Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> DQs:
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> First name start with T?  
> Male?

1. First name does not start with T.
2. Male.

> [@](#):
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> IQs:
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> Are you a noteworthy comic actress who shares a birthday with me?  
> When you were a kid, did your mom insist you visit a disliked and stinky relative in the (ultimately futile) hope of getting an inheritance?  
> Do you have two tiny but powerful friends and a mean babysitter?

I have no idea when your birthday is, but I’ll take a shot in the dark. Lily Tomlin?

The stinky relative and mean babysitter questions sound so familiar, but I cannot pin them down. Two DQs for you (or three, if Tomlin is wrong).

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**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\
**Post date:** [November 30, 2012, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/11 "2012-11-30T02:38:40Z")

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> [@etv78](#):
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> IQ: Are you boring your kids to death telling them how you met their mother?

I’ve never watched that show. DQ for you.

> [@Enginerd](#):
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> IQ1: Are you the Honey Badger?  
> IQ2: Were you the Sergeant at Arms for the Sons of Anarchy Motorcycle Club under Clay Morrow?  
> IQ3: Were you an Olympic gold medalist and undisputed champion at your sport before your life fell apart?

No idea on any. Three DQs.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 30, 2012, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/12 "2012-11-30T02:49:30Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> …IQs:
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> Are you a noteworthy comic actress who shares a birthday with me?  
> When you were a kid, did your mom insist you visit a disliked and stinky relative in the (ultimately futile) hope of getting an inheritance?  
> Do you have two tiny but powerful friends and a mean babysitter?

Yes, Lily Tomlin. Well done!  
This was Tony Blair, whose great aunt was financially well-off but had a poor sense of personal hygiene. They didn’t get a pence from her.  
Timmy Turner, the young hero of _The Fairly OddParents_.

DQs:

Real?  
American?

IQs:

Did you appear in a movie that included footage of you from decades before?  
Did you and your wife visit President Lincoln in the White House only once?  
Were you played recently in a movie by an actor with an incorrect accent?

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**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\
**Post date:** [November 30, 2012, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/13 "2012-11-30T03:16:28Z")

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The character’s name is Ted Moseby

DQ: Living?

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**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\
**Post date:** [November 30, 2012, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/14 "2012-11-30T03:18:16Z")

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> [@Enginerd](#):
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> IQ1: Are you the Honey Badger?  
> IQ2: Were you the Sergeant at Arms for the Sons of Anarchy Motorcycle Club under Clay Morrow?  
> IQ3: Were you an Olympic gold medalist and undisputed champion at your sport before your life fell apart?

LSU defensive back Tyrann Mathieu, Tig Trager, and Mike Tyson.

I’ll wait until you answer the DQs from **EH** and **ETV** before I ask my own.

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**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\
**Post date:** [November 30, 2012, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/15 "2012-11-30T03:29:53Z")

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Tyson was never in Olympics!

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**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\
**Post date:** [November 30, 2012, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/16 "2012-11-30T03:33:35Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> DQs:
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> Real?  
> American?

I am real.  
I am a naturalized American.

> [@etv78](#):
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> DQ: Living?

I am alive.

Summary for T:

1. First name does not start with T.
2. Male.
3. Real.
4. Naturalized American.
5. Alive.

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**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\
**Post date:** [November 30, 2012, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/17 "2012-11-30T03:45:56Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> IQs:
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> Did you appear in a movie that included footage of you from decades before?  
> Did you and your wife visit President Lincoln in the White House only once?  
> Were you played recently in a movie by an actor with an incorrect accent?

I’ll likely kick myself when you tell me the movie, since I recall seeing one that included footage of the actor from years before. But I just can’t think of it.

Nor can I think of a _recent_ movie where an actor had an incorrect accent. (I can think of a few, but I don’t think you’re referring to American Kevin Costner as Englishman Robin Hood, for example.)

On the second IQ, the best I can offer as a guess is “Mr. Todd,” Lincoln’s father-in-law, and Mary Todd Lincoln’s father. I have no idea what the gentleman’s first name is, though.

Two DQs at least; three if “Mr. Todd” is incorrect.

> [@Enginerd](#):
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> LSU defensive back Tyrann Mathieu, Tig Trager, and Mike Tyson.

You earned the first two of those DQs, as I’ve never heard of the first two at all. But Mike Tyson! :smack: Well, you earned that one too; I’ll just kick myself a bit.

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**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\
**Post date:** [November 30, 2012, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/18 "2012-11-30T04:19:38Z")

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IQ: Are you an Italian immigrant who was involved in electricity discoveries?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 30, 2012, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/19 "2012-11-30T04:27:16Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> …IQs:
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> Did you appear in a movie that included footage of you from decades before?  
> Did you and your wife visit President Lincoln in the White House only once?  
> Were you played recently in a movie by an actor with an incorrect accent?

Terrance Stamp, in _The Limey_. Excerpted footage from a Sixties crime thriller was used to show his character as young man.  
Gen. and Mts. Tom Thumb, the celebrated little persons, at the behest of P.T. Barnum. (The First Lady’s parents were both deceased by the time the Lincolns moved into the White House, I believe).  
Pennsylvanian Thaddeus Stevens, played by Texan Tommy Lee Jones in _Lincoln_.

DQs:

Caucasian?  
Born since 1950?  
Best known for the creative arts?

IQs:

Did you, in a comedy movie, marvel at Americans’ obsession with breasts?  
A real person, was your name mentioned in a song in _Grease_?  
Did your dad like to go around the house with no shoes on to “let [his] feet breathe”?

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**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\
**Post date:** [November 30, 2012, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/20 "2012-11-30T05:22:01Z")

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> [@Spoons](#):
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> You earned the first two of those DQs, as I’ve never heard of the first two at all. But Mike Tyson! :smack: Well, you earned that one too; I’ll just kick myself a bit.

Don’t kick yourself too hard - as **etv** pointed out, I got the question wrong. I could have sworn Tyson won the gold in 1984, but he didn’t. :smack: indeed.

I’ll stick with 2 DQs, but I’ll (again) wait until you’ve answered the outstanding ones. It ain’t easy keeping up with **EH**. 😃

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