# Botticelli: Early December 2012 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [November 29, 2012, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443 "2012-11-29T05:19:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/81 "2012-12-14T06:21:07Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > DQ: Is your music still heard on the radio? > > (I was thinking Redding, though it was probably a car wreck) Otis Redding:smack:Yes, it was a plane crash. Can’t believe I forgot him. DQ answer: Best known work is still heard on the radio this time of year. (Hearing the piece in someone’s car was what inspired this round.) The rest of his oeuvre doesn’t get any airplay on the type of stations I listen to (alternative, album rock, classic rock & oldies) but it’s possible he still gets airplay on another format. Since I gave such a wishy-washy answer, I won’t count this one towards the DQ total. Summary: R 1. Not alive today 2. Male 3. Real 4. Last name begins with ‘R’ 5. American 6. Best known for the creative arts 7. Born after 1900 8. Actor, among other talents. 9. Musician in the broad sense, but not an instrumentalist. 10. Died after 1980 11. Not best known for movie roles. 12. Not in the cast of a well-known TV series. 13. Noted as a singer 14. Not noted for stage appearances 15. Best known musical work was a solo piece, but most singing work was a part of a larger group. 16. Main musical style not generally considered to be Rock, but did record some doo-wop and worked with Elvis. 17. Born before 1950. 18. Did record some country-western, but again, not primary musical style. 19. Not a Grammy winner FREEBIE. Best known musical work gets radio airplay every December (hint, hint), but the rest of musical work does not get played on various formats of “rock” stations. It may or may not get airplay in other radio formats. I honestly don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/82 "2012-12-14T14:17:09Z")
Still baffled. Hmmm… ---
**Author:** ![pwmeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/da6949/32.png) [@pwmeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwmeek)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/83 "2012-12-18T14:48:40Z")
Was he a member of an eponymous band? (Still reserving my direct question from #67) ---
**Author:** ![pwmeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/da6949/32.png) [@pwmeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwmeek)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/84 "2012-12-18T19:41:32Z")
BTW, this is my compilation of previous persons said NOT to be the answer. Not: (some of these guesses were made before later clues on the list were established) Robert Reed Richard Dawson Ronald Reagan Basil Rathbone Ricky Ricardo Ralph Kramden Ric Ocasek Roger Hornsby Paul Reiser Richard Harris Raj Donald Regan Rex Stout Henry Royce or ??? Rolls John Ritter Randy Newman Rolie Polie Olie William Randolph Hearst Roger Paul Ryan Richard Outcault Dread Pirate Roberts Edmund Rostand John Roberts, Senior Rita Hayworth Randolph Churchill Roy Wilkins George Reeves Christopher Reeve Gilda Radner Radagast the Brown Three characters named Ray played by Gregory Hines William P Rogers Charlie Rich (my guess) Roy Rogers Ron Reagan, Jr. Prince Ruprecht Roy Scheider Paul Robeson Richie Valens Ronnie Van Zant Otis Redding ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/85 "2012-12-18T23:52:34Z")
> [@pwmeek](#): > > Was he a member of an eponymous band? For the majority of his career, no. There was one obscure album credited to “The \_\_\_ R\_\_\_ Singers”, a smattering of solo releases, but the vast majority of his musical group work was in groups not named after himself. ---
**Author:** ![pwmeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/da6949/32.png) [@pwmeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwmeek)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2012, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/86 "2012-12-19T06:33:07Z")
I’ll use my direct question: Did he die after 11:59 PM, December 31, 2004? ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2012, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/87 "2012-12-19T16:47:35Z")
> [@pwmeek](#): > > I’ll use my direct question: > Did he die after 11:59 PM, December 31, 2004? Yes Summary: R 1. Not alive today 2. Male 3. Real 4. Last name begins with ‘R’ 5. American 6. Best known for the creative arts 7. Born after 1900 8. Actor, among other talents. 9. Musician in the broad sense, but not an instrumentalist. 10. Died after 1980 11. Not best known for movie roles. 12. Not in the cast of a well-known TV series. 13. Noted as a singer 14. Not noted for stage appearances 15. Best known musical work was a solo piece, but most singing work was a part of a larger group. 16. Main musical style not generally considered to be Rock, but did record some doo-wop and worked with Elvis. 17. Born before 1950. 18. Did record some country-western, but again, not primary musical style. 19. Not a Grammy winner FREEBIE. Best known musical work gets radio airplay every December (hint, hint), but the rest of musical work does not get played on various formats of “rock” stations. It may or may not get airplay in other radio formats. I honestly don’t know. 20. Died after 11:59 PM, December 31, 2004. ---
**Author:** ![pwmeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/da6949/32.png) [@pwmeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwmeek)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2012, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/88 "2012-12-19T18:04:50Z")
Good. That means I didn’t miss him. I can continue my exhaustive visual search. (1980-2004, so far) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2012, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/89 "2012-12-19T21:42:58Z")
Still baffled. Can’t think of who it might be. Any theories? ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2012, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/90 "2012-12-20T02:57:02Z")
Think I have the answer - and about all I can say is, “Never heard of him…” ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/91 "2012-12-22T21:58:09Z")
**ChockFull** , unless anyone is prepared to guess directly, you might as well tell us. I think we’re all stumped. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2012, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/92 "2012-12-23T01:19:54Z")
I certainly am. ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2012, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/93 "2012-12-23T03:33:05Z")
How much research is permitted during games? Am I supposed to rely on my own knowledge, or can I look up answers? As I said, I think I’ve found the answer, but I’d never heard of the guy before a couple days ago, so I don’t want to invoke his name is we’re supposed to be sticking to things we know… ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2012, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/94 "2012-12-23T03:46:13Z")
… _if_ we’re supposed to be sticking to things we _already_ know. ---
**Author:** ![pwmeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/da6949/32.png) [@pwmeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pwmeek)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2012, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/95 "2012-12-23T04:08:41Z")
I say - we’re all on the internet (obviously), so it’s silly to expect people to stick to things they already know. (I certainly didn’t.) ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2012, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/96 "2012-12-23T06:29:57Z")
I ran afoul of this rule in a previous game. NO research allowed. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2012, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/97 "2012-12-23T07:06:06Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > I ran afoul of this rule in a previous game. NO research allowed. This is my understanding also: research is not allowed. You’re expected to go with what you know. ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2012, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/98 "2012-12-23T08:18:00Z")
I am singer and voice actor **Thurl Ravenscroft**. Musically, I am best known for singing “You’re A Mean One, Mr. Grinch” in the Chuck Jones adaptation of “How the Grinch Stole Christmas”. (that’s the song that gets annual holiday radio airplay). My best known voice acting gig was the voice of Tony the Tiger in the Sugar Frosted Flakes commercials. Best known singing group was The Mellomen, who sang many many songs for various Disney films, appeared on-screen with Elvis in a few flicks, and appeared in small parts in various other musicals. I also did vocal and singing work in many animated works over the years, including the Rankin-Bass version of The Hobbit. Many Southern Californians know me from Disneyland, where my voice appears in many places, including Pirates of the Caribbean, the train ride around the park, and my face is on one of the singing busts in the Haunted Mansion. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2012, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/99 "2012-12-23T15:01:22Z")
:smack: And I was talking about him just the other day, when a group of us were discussing the Grinch TV show. Well played! ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2012, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443/100 "2012-12-23T16:12:24Z")
I’ve heard of Ravenscroft before. Obscure but not too much so. Good one, **ChockFull**! > [@etv78](#): > > I ran afoul of this rule in a previous game. NO research allowed. Correct. Botticelli is not a game of Internet research skills. That said, **SCAdian** , were you thinking of Ravenscroft too? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-early-december-2012/642443.md?page=6)