# Botticelli, February 2014

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-february-2014/680337>\
**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [February 2, 2014, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-february-2014/680337 "2014-02-02T06:47:15Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2014, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-february-2014/680337/121 "2014-02-07T17:59:39Z")

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> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#):
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> IQs:
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> 1. Were you Saul of Tarsus’s rabbi mentor?
> 2. Were you the lead singer of Genesis for awhile?
> 3. Did you have a wife three times your size?

> [@Spoons](#):
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> For 2, I’m not Peter Gabriel. No idea on 1 and 3–take two DQs.

#1 was Gamaliel. #3 was Barney Google (with the goo-goo-googly eyes).  
I’ll hold on to the DQs for the moment.

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [February 8, 2014, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-february-2014/680337/122 "2014-02-08T20:17:05Z")

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IQs:

1. Did Tyrone F. Horneigh make several passes at you?
2. Were you Godzilla’s cartoon kid?
3. Are you the Green Lantern sent to protect Antactica?

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**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\
**Post date:** [February 8, 2014, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-february-2014/680337/123 "2014-02-08T20:54:07Z")

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> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#):
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> IQs:
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> 1. Did Tyrone F. Horneigh make several passes at you?
> 2. Were you Godzilla’s cartoon kid?
> 3. Are you the Green Lantern sent to protect Antactica?

For 1, I’m not Gladys. Cannot remember her last name, but we’re talking about Ruth Buzzi’s old spinster character on “Laugh-In.” Arte Johnson played dirty old man Tyrone. (Hope that’s enough to suitably identify Gladys.)

Take two DQs for 2 and 3.

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [February 8, 2014, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-february-2014/680337/124 "2014-02-08T23:31:47Z")

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> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#):
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> IQs:
> 
> 1. Did Tyrone F. Horneigh make several passes at you?
> 2. Were you Godzilla’s cartoon kid?
> 3. Are you the Green Lantern sent to protect Antactica?

> [@Spoons](#):
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> For 1, I’m not Gladys. Cannot remember her last name, but we’re talking about Ruth Buzzi’s old spinster character on “Laugh-In.” Arte Johnson played dirty old man Tyrone. (Hope that’s enough to suitably identify Gladys.)
> 
> Take two DQs for 2 and 3.

Yep, Gladys Ormphby was Ruth’s purse-slingin’ character.  
#2 was Godzooky.  
#3 was G’Nort, the shame of the Corps.

That puts me at 4 DQs. I’m thinking…

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [February 9, 2014, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-february-2014/680337/125 "2014-02-09T01:38:53Z")

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Previous IQs:

Did you take off your clothes to distract a heavily-armed man? - Danny Glover, in one of the _Lethal Weapon_ movies.  
Were you one of the pals in _Brian’s Song_? - Yes, Gale Sayers.  
Were you an OSU football star who didn’t do nearly as well in the NFL? - Archie Griffin.

DQs:

Appeared in two or more movies?  
Had a postgraduate degree?

The latter to see if it’s a lawyer or doctor.

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**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\
**Post date:** [February 9, 2014, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-february-2014/680337/126 "2014-02-09T02:47:43Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> DQs:
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> Appeared in two or more movies?  
> Had a postgraduate degree?
> 
> The latter to see if it’s a lawyer or doctor.

Yes, appeared in two or more movies.  
No, I do not have a postgraduate degree.

Summary for G:

1. Not real.
2. Male.
3. Last name starts with G.
4. Created in the twentieth century.
5. American.
6. Generally considered a good guy.
7. Originally appeared in a little-known work of literature, but better known in another medium.
8. Did not first appear on TV.
9. If real, would still be alive today.
10. Best known from a movie or movies.
11. In print prior to 1980; in film after 1980.
12. Protagonist.  
13, I don’t know if the literary work is from a recognized genre of literature. The movie certainly belongs to a genre of cinema.
13. My name is not used in the title of the literary work or the movie.
14. Not a resident of NYC.
15. Main setting of the story is not east of the Mississippi.
16. Not from a work of science fiction.  
18, Appeared in two or more movies.
17. I do not have a postgraduate degree. Not a lawyer or a doctor.

(Like to see somebody get this, so on 19, I tossed in a freebie that you alluded to.)

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [February 9, 2014, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-february-2014/680337/127 "2014-02-09T03:09:27Z")

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Thanks! Still not sure who this is. Hmm…

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**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-february-2014/680337/128 "2014-02-10T05:12:38Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Thanks! Still not sure who this is. Hmm…

Any ideas yet?

IQs welcome, of course; but let’s get one more DQ from whoever has one, then I’ll toss out a clue (if necessary).

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**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-february-2014/680337/129 "2014-02-10T12:05:27Z")

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Oh, what the heck.

DQ: Criminal?

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**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-february-2014/680337/130 "2014-02-10T17:11:13Z")

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> [@SCAdian](#):
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> Oh, what the heck.
> 
> DQ: Criminal?

Not a criminal.

Summary for G:

1. Not real.
2. Male.
3. Last name starts with G.
4. Created in the twentieth century.
5. American.
6. Generally considered a good guy.
7. Originally appeared in a little-known work of literature, but better known in another medium.
8. Did not first appear on TV.
9. If real, would still be alive today.
10. Best known from a movie or movies.
11. In print prior to 1980; in film after 1980.
12. Protagonist.  
13, I don’t know if the literary work is from a recognized genre of literature. The movie certainly belongs to a genre of cinema.
13. My name is not used in the title of the literary work or the movie.
14. Not a resident of NYC.
15. Main setting of the story is not east of the Mississippi.
16. Not from a work of science fiction.  
18, Appeared in two or more movies.
17. I do not have a postgraduate degree. Not a lawyer or a doctor.
18. Not a criminal.

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-february-2014/680337/131 "2014-02-10T19:48:41Z")

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Well, at this point I don’t even have a good guess. I’m stumped.

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**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-february-2014/680337/132 "2014-02-10T20:53:58Z")

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Would anybody like a clue?

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**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-february-2014/680337/133 "2014-02-10T22:28:11Z")

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Well, I certainly don’t have a clue of my own to supply…

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-february-2014/680337/134 "2014-02-10T22:29:14Z")

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I’ll take all the help I can get.

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**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-february-2014/680337/135 "2014-02-10T23:10:23Z")

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Well, we know the following from the DQ answers:

> [@](#):
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> 1. Best known from a movie or movies.
> 2. In print prior to 1980; in film after 1980.  
> 13, I don’t know if the literary work is from a recognized genre of literature. The movie certainly belongs to a genre of cinema.
> 3. Main setting of the story is not east of the Mississippi.  
> 18, Appeared in two or more movies.

Answers 10, 11, and 18 tell us that the character is best known from appearing in cinema after 1980; more specifically, in two or more movies.

Answer 16 tells us that the main setting of the story is “not east of the Mississippi.” That must mean west of the Mississippi, in at least one movie; and I’ll grant that while “west of the Mississippi” could include places like Hawaii or even Japan, our story takes place in the continental United States. But does it in two or more movies?

Also, what kind of movies are they? Answer 13 says a genre of cinema that may not equal a genre of literature, if indeed the literary work belongs to a genre at all. Science-fiction? Horror? Mystery? Suspense thriller? No, those are all out, as they are literary genres. Many libraries have separated these genres from the regular fiction.

Now, think back to when we had video stores. How were films categorized? Drama, comedy, adult, horror…? The library doesn’t categorize fictional books like the video store typically categorizes films. Is there something here?

Could be. If discard the literary genres that the library (and possibly the video store) separate out, we’re left with drama, comedy, and adult. I’ll admit that the films our character appears in are definitely not porn.

So we’re left with a post-1980 series of movies that are either drama or comedy, at least one of which takes place west of the Mississippi.

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**Author:** ![fanganga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58f4c7/32.png) [@fanganga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fanganga)\
**Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-february-2014/680337/136 "2014-02-11T13:00:31Z")

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Dq. Are you Kent Griswold from the national lampoon movies?

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-february-2014/680337/137 "2014-02-11T15:21:59Z")

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Not a bad guess at all, at all. I’m still stumped.

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**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\
**Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-february-2014/680337/138 "2014-02-11T18:41:39Z")

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> [@fanganga](#):
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> Dq. Are you Kent Griswold from the national lampoon movies?

Close enough. I am **Clark W. Griswold** , from the National Lampoon Vacation movies.

Clark W. Griswold first appeared in “Vacation '58,” the original story. It was written by John Hughes (the same John Hughes who made films like _The Breakfast Club_); and it was published in the National Lampoon magazine in the fall of 1979. The first Vacation movie (_National Lampoon’s Vacation_) was made in 1983, and would be followed by three more Vacation films.

Well done, **fanganga**! Take us into the next round.

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-february-2014/680337/139 "2014-02-11T19:02:39Z")

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Hooray, fanganga!! Three cheers!

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**Author:** ![fanganga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58f4c7/32.png) [@fanganga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fanganga)\
**Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-february-2014/680337/140 "2014-02-11T22:12:21Z")

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Thank you. I saw comedy and Griswold came to mind. Seems I couldn’t quite get the first name, but I thought I remembered it as one of Superman’s - just got the wrong one.

Your initial for the new round is **D**.

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