# Botticelli, January 2012

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**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [January 1, 2012, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2012/608083 "2012-01-01T21:33:43Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![AppallingGael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@AppallingGael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AppallingGael)\
**Post date:** [January 4, 2012, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2012/608083/21 "2012-01-04T06:35:45Z")

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IQ: Were you a kind of urban cowgirl?

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**Author:** ![AppallingGael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@AppallingGael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AppallingGael)\
**Post date:** [January 4, 2012, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2012/608083/22 "2012-01-04T07:02:52Z")

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Ah, looks like my home run swing was a miss. Ok, back to smallball.

IQ: Were you a member of Eisenhower’s cabinet?

IQ: Did you challenge for Mayor Linseed’s office back in the 1960’s?

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [January 4, 2012, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2012/608083/23 "2012-01-04T13:43:54Z")

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IQ1: Were you murdered by a strip club owner?

IQ2: Were you an ace pilot whose dad was a Mafia lawyer?

IQ3: Did you pen the immortal words, “When you say that, smile.”

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**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\
**Post date:** [January 4, 2012, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2012/608083/24 "2012-01-04T14:28:21Z")

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> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#):
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> IQ1: Should the mighty look on your works and despair?
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> IQ2: Were you an outstanding Canadian jazz pianist?
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> IQ3: Are you a Canadian writer born in Sri Lanka, whose first novel was a fictionalized biography of jazz trumpeter Buddy Bolden?

> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> No, I’m not Ozymandias. Dunno about the other two. Another two DQs.

Of course, you’d know Ozymandias! What was I thinking?

As to the others, **Oscar Peterson** was born in Montréal and had a huge career as a pianist, bandleader, composer and educator.

And the third is **Michael Ondaatje** , most famous as the author of ‘_The English Patient_’. He had written plays and poetry, but ‘_Coming Through Slaughter_’ was his first novel.  
So - DQ1: Were you a painter?

I’ll hold off on my second question until I hear back…

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [January 4, 2012, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2012/608083/25 "2012-01-04T18:26:10Z")

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> [@AppallingGael](#):
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> …IQ: Were you a kind of urban cowgirl?
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> IQ: Were you a member of Eisenhower’s cabinet?
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> IQ: Did you challenge for Mayor Linseed’s office back in the 1960’s?

Dunno about the first. No, I’m not Ovetta Culp Hobby. Mayor Linseed is from the _Batman_ TV show, I think, but you got me on that, too.

> [@astorian](#):
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> IQ1: Were you murdered by a strip club owner?
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> IQ2: Were you an ace pilot whose dad was a Mafia lawyer?
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> IQ3: Did you pen the immortal words, “When you say that, smile.”

Hmm. Dunno about the first two. Is the third Orson Welles?

O.

1. Real person
2. Female
3. Not born in 20th century
4. Not European
5. Born after 1700
6. American
7. Born after 1800
8. Last name started with O
9. Not a writer, poet or playwright, as those terms are usually defined
10. Still alive in the 20th century
11. Not a painter

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**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\
**Post date:** [January 4, 2012, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2012/608083/26 "2012-01-04T19:06:52Z")

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DQ: Were you an actress?

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [January 4, 2012, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2012/608083/27 "2012-01-04T19:55:36Z")

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1. \*\*Lee Harvey Oswald \*\*was murdered by a strip club owner- Jack Ruby.

2. The world’s busiest airport was named after ace pilot **Butch O’Hare** , whose dad was a lawyer for Al Capone.

3. “When you say that, smile” has become a Wester cliche. It was first uttered in the Western novel The Virginian, by **Owen Wister**.

DQ1: Were you born in New England? (Mass, Conn, Rhode Island, Maine, Vermont or New Hampshire)?

DQ2: Were you widely known as a crusader for political or social reform?

DQ3: Did your last name begin with O’ (as in O’Brien or O’Malley or O’Shaughnessy)?

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**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2012, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2012/608083/28 "2012-01-05T02:07:42Z")

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> [@Sternvogel](#):
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> IQ: Are you and Horace Stoneham famous in sports history for doing essentially the same thing?
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> IQ: Were you a child star who later became a law enforcement officer in California?

> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Dunno about the first and third.

Walter O’Malley moved the Dodgers from Brooklyn to Los Angeles after the 1957 season, while Horace Stoneham took the Giants from the Polo Grounds to San Francisco.

Ken Osmond (Eddie Haskell on _Leave it to Beaver_) was a member of the LAPD from 1970 to 1988 before retiring on disability pension after being shot in the line of duty.

DQ: Was it your maiden name that began with “O”?

DQ: Was your husband (assuming you had one) at least as famous as you?

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2012, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2012/608083/29 "2012-01-05T03:27:37Z")

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IQ1: After appearing in a very popular series of detective novels for over 40 years, were you finally revealed as a murderer in 1975?  
IQ2: Did a very popular soul group name themselves after you, due to the help you provided them play playing their songs on your radio show?  
IQ3: Did you star in ONE classic movie as a child, then give up show biz and become a veterinarian?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2012, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2012/608083/30 "2012-01-05T15:17:40Z")

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> [@astorian](#):
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> IQ1: After appearing in a very popular series of detective novels for over 40 years, were you finally revealed as a murderer in 1975?
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> IQ2: Did a very popular soul group name themselves after you, due to the help you provided them play playing their songs on your radio show?
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> IQ3: Did you star in ONE classic movie as a child, then give up show biz and become a veterinarian?

Dunno about the first. As to the second, no, I’m not O’Jay, and third, no, I’m not the kid who played _Oliver!_

O.

1. Real person
2. Female
3. Not born in 20th century
4. Not European
5. Born after 1700
6. American
7. Born after 1800
8. Last name started with O
9. Not a writer, poet or playwright, as those terms are usually defined
10. Still alive in the 20th century
11. Not a painter
12. Not an actress
13. Not born in New England
14. Not widely known as a crusader for political or social reform
15. Last name began with O’
16. Maiden name began with O’
17. Husband was not at least as famous as her

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2012, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2012/608083/31 "2012-01-05T15:24:36Z")

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I’ll give you Eddie O’Jay, the disc jockey for whom the O’Jays were named.

The others were:

1. **Orrie Cather** , who worked for detective Nero Wolfe for 40+ years, was the killer in the final Nero Wolfe mystery,\*\*\* A Family Affair.\*\*\*

2. The child star of \*\*\*Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory \*\*\*was **Peter Ostrum** , who never made another movie, and is now a veterinarian.

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2012, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2012/608083/32 "2012-01-05T15:37:58Z")

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DQ1: Are you known for exploits in the Old West?

DQ2: Are you better known by an alias or assumed name than by the last name that starts with “O”?

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2012, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2012/608083/33 "2012-01-05T16:30:01Z")

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IQ: Was your cow falsely accused of arson?

IQ2: Did you conduct the Boston Symphony Orchestra in a trademark turtleneck?

IQ3: Did your Dad take you to Floyd’s when you needed a haircut?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2012, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2012/608083/34 "2012-01-05T16:50:42Z")

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> [@astorian](#):
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> IQ: Was your cow falsely accused of arson?
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> IQ2: Did you conduct the Boston Symphony Orchestra in a trademark turtleneck?
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> IQ3: Did your Dad take you to Floyd’s when you needed a haircut?

I’m neither Mrs. O’Leary of Great Chicago Fire fame, nor Opie of Mayberry, N.C. I know who you mean for the second question, but I’m blanking on his name. Take the final DQ, my dear **astorian**.

O.

1. Real person
2. Female
3. Not born in 20th century
4. Not European
5. Born after 1700
6. American
7. Born after 1800
8. Last name started with O
9. Not a writer, poet or playwright, as those terms are usually defined
10. Still alive in the 20th century
11. Not a painter
12. Not an actress
13. Not born in New England
14. Not widely known as a crusader for political or social reform
15. Last name began with O’
16. Maiden name began with O’
17. Husband was not at least as famous as her
18. Not known for exploits in the Old West
19. Not better known by an alias or assumed name

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2012, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2012/608083/35 "2012-01-05T19:29:42Z")

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The conductor was Seiji Ozawa.

I’m drawing a major blank again, but I’ll try a last, desperation DQ  
DQ: Were you an outlaw or criminal of any kind?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2012, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2012/608083/36 "2012-01-05T19:39:06Z")

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Ozawa, of course! Shoulda remembered him.

O.

1. Real person
2. Female
3. Not born in 20th century
4. Not European
5. Born after 1700
6. American
7. Born after 1800
8. Last name started with O
9. Not a writer, poet or playwright, as those terms are usually defined
10. Still alive in the 20th century
11. Not a painter
12. Not an actress
13. Not born in New England
14. Not widely known as a crusader for political or social reform
15. Last name began with O’
16. Maiden name began with O’
17. Husband was not at least as famous as her
18. Not known for exploits in the Old West
19. Not better known by an alias or assumed name
20. Not an outlaw or criminal

Anyone who’s earned a DQ up to now may ask one point-blank “Are you [name]?” question. If no one gets it in the next, say, 48 hours, I’ll reveal the answer and start the next round.

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**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2012, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2012/608083/37 "2012-01-05T21:23:15Z")

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Well, until you said her husband was not at least as famous as she was, I was thinking of crossword constructor favorite Oona O’Neill Chaplin.

Wild guess: Are you Rose O’Neill, creator of the Kewpie doll? (An illustrator, but not a painter _per se_.)

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2012, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2012/608083/38 "2012-01-05T22:35:00Z")

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Nope.

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**Author:** ![AppallingGael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@AppallingGael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AppallingGael)\
**Post date:** [January 6, 2012, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2012/608083/39 "2012-01-06T06:01:16Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Dunno about the first. No, I’m not Ovetta Culp Hobby. Mayor Linseed is from the _Batman_ TV show, I think, but you got me on that, too.

I would have replied earlier, but before I could post, there was a new DQ that I wished to see the answer to before asking my own, and then, we were up to 20.

Anyway, Ovetta Culp Hobby is correct. The Gotham City mayoral challenger was Oswald Cobblepot (popularly known as “the Penguin”), who lost the perhaps the most controversial election in the whole period between 1876 and 2000. The sorta “urban cowgirl” (she did at least own a cow) was Mrs. Catherine O’Leary, who is already mentioned upthread.

Anyway, no good guess has yet occurred to me but I will think on it a bit more.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [January 6, 2012, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2012/608083/40 "2012-01-06T21:15:43Z")

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I’ll give ya’ll until 9am EST Monday. Have a great weekend!

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