# Botticelli - January 2013

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391>\
**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [January 7, 2013, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391 "2013-01-07T20:36:12Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\
**Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/221 "2013-02-01T23:10:24Z")

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> [@Enginerd](#):
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> A couple of conventions we’ve generally been using:  
> We don’t ask more than 3 IQs at a time.  
> DQs can be reserved if necessary (this happens most often when there are DQs pending, but it happens other times as well).  
> DQs can be transferred (this generally happens late in a game when we’re close to stumped)  
> The answerer posts a list of answered DQs.
> 
> Have I missed anything? Everyone should feel free to add anything I’ve overlooked.

What’s the full definition we use for “the arts” and “artist”?

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**Author:** ![Labtrash](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/labtrash/32/528_2.png) [@Labtrash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labtrash)\
**Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/222 "2013-02-02T01:59:35Z")

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> [@SCAdian](#):
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> IQ1: Were you killed whilst in pursuit of “Wop” May?  
> IQ2: Did you order “asparagus” planted in Normandy?  
> IQ3: If you weren’t called by your name, would you retain that dear perfection which you owe without that title?

IQ1. Not the Red Baron  
IQ2. Not Rommel  
IQ3. DQ for you!

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**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\
**Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/223 "2013-02-02T03:05:12Z")

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> [@SCAdian](#):
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> IQ1: Were you killed whilst in pursuit of “Wop” May?  
> IQ2: Did you order “asparagus” planted in Normandy?  
> IQ3: If you weren’t called by your name, would you retain that dear perfection which you owe without that title?

> [@Labtrash](#):
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> IQ1. Not the Red Baron  
> IQ2. Not Rommel  
> IQ3. DQ for you!

Correct on Manfred Freiherr von Richthofen  
Correct on Erwin Rommel  
Romeo Montague. (_Romeo and Juliet_, Act II, Scene 2. JULIET: That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet. So Romeo would, were he not Romeo called, retain that dear perfection which he owes without that title.)  
DQ: Are you a real person?  
IQ1: Were you drugged by your brother, Prince Michael, on the eve of your coronation?  
IQ2: Were you the distant cousin who impersonated #1 above?  
IQ3: Did you kill #1 above, only to be killed by #2?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/224 "2013-02-02T04:24:10Z")

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> [@Labtrash](#):
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> …QUESTION: No looking up answers, correct? I admit I looked up Ray Cansella’s last name, but knew it was a Field of Dreams reference

You, as the gamemaster this round, can ONLY look stuff up to ensure a correct answer to an IQ (indirect question) asked of you, if you don’t otherwise know. Otherwise, none of us can look anything up - it’s a game of knowledge, not research skills.

IQs:

Did aides marvel that you and a bitter rival were good chums after working hours?  
Were you one of five in books, but one of three shown in a movie?  
Did Gregory Hines bear your name as three different movie characters?

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**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\
**Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/225 "2013-02-02T04:36:05Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> You, as the gamemaster this round, can ONLY look stuff up to ensure a correct answer to an IQ (indirect question) asked of you, if you don’t otherwise know.

Surely you men a DQ?

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**Author:** ![Labtrash](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/labtrash/32/528_2.png) [@Labtrash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labtrash)\
**Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/226 "2013-02-02T16:48:56Z")

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Letter is R

1. I am real.

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**Author:** ![Labtrash](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/labtrash/32/528_2.png) [@Labtrash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labtrash)\
**Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/227 "2013-02-02T16:55:51Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Did aides marvel that you and a bitter rival were good chums after working hours?  
> Were you one of five in books, but one of three shown in a movie?  
> Did Gregory Hines bear your name as three different movie characters?

Not Ronald Reagan ?  
Probably a Tolkien reference, but no idea here  
In Running Scared his name was Ray - not him

So one, possibly two, DQs

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**Author:** ![Labtrash](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/labtrash/32/528_2.png) [@Labtrash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labtrash)\
**Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/228 "2013-02-02T17:00:08Z")

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> [@SCAdian](#):
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> IQ1: Were you drugged by your brother, Prince Michael, on the eve of your coronation?  
> IQ2: Were you the distant cousin who impersonated #1 above?  
> IQ3: Did you kill #1 above, only to be killed by #2?

Not Rudolf  
Not the other Rudolf  
Crap, forgot the bad guy’s name. DQ

Seriously though, am I doing this right so far?

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**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\
**Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/229 "2013-02-02T17:21:10Z")

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> [@SCAdian](#):
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> IQ1: Were you drugged by your brother, Prince Michael, on the eve of your coronation?  
> IQ2: Were you the distant cousin who impersonated #1 above?  
> IQ3: Did you kill #1 above, only to be killed by #2?

> [@Labtrash](#):
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> Not Rudolf  
> Not the other Rudolf  
> Crap, forgot the bad guy’s name. DQ

Correct on King Rudolf V of Ruritania.  
Correct on Rudolf Rassendyll.  
Rupert of Hentzau.  
DQ: Are you male?

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**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\
**Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/230 "2013-02-02T20:58:11Z")

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IQ1: Are you a 17th century French playwright noted for your mastery of the 12 syllable Alexandrine rhyme scheme?

IQ2: Are you a late 19th century French playwright who was consciously imitating the above writer?

IQ3: Are you a scandalous French poet who smuggled guns and slaves in Somalia?

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**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\
**Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/231 "2013-02-02T21:41:25Z")

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> [@SCAdian](#):
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> What’s the full definition we use for “the arts” and “artist”?

I’ve been using variations on the following - a definition of ‘artist’ that includes visual artists, actors, dancers, musicians, singers, writers, poets, directors, playwrights, performance artists - anything that involves human creativity. If it turns out to be a ‘yes’, we can narrow it down from there; if it’s a ‘no’, it saves an awful lot of DQs.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/232 "2013-02-02T23:42:01Z")

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> [@SCAdian](#):
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> Surely you me[a]n a DQ?

D’oh! Yes. Thanks.

> [@Labtrash](#):
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> Not Ronald Reagan ?  
> Probably a Tolkien reference, but no idea here  
> In Running Scared his name was Ray - not him

Yes, Reagan, who go along famously with Speaker Tip O’Neill after hours.  
Radagast the Brown, a wizard from _The Lord of the Rings._ We see him, Gandalf and Saruman in _The Hobbit_. The two Blue Wizards are mentioned but not seen.  
Yes, Ray - Hines played a Ray three times in three different movies. He was on Letterman once and couldn’t explain why screenwriters kept making him Rays.

> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#):
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> I’ve been using variations on the following - a definition of ‘artist’ that includes visual artists, actors, dancers, musicians, singers, writers, poets, directors, playwrights, performance artists - anything that involves human creativity. If it turns out to be a ‘yes’, we can narrow it down from there; if it’s a ‘no’, it saves an awful lot of DQs.

Definitely.

DQ:

Alive?

IQs:

Did the butler offer to hold your trident?  
Were you succeeded on your fictional throne by someone who wasn’t entitled to do so?  
Did your brother joke about how he would tell the world something about you?

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**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/233 "2013-02-03T04:13:09Z")

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IQ1: Was God your co-pilot?  
IQ2: Were you known for fighting oil-well fires?  
IQ3: Did one of your companions say that he was just going outside and might be some time?

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**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\
**Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/234 "2013-02-04T15:57:39Z")

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Hey - where’d everybody go?

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**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\
**Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/235 "2013-02-04T16:51:07Z")

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> [@SCAdian](#):
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> Hey - where’d everybody go?

> [@Labtrash](#):
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> Figures, I’m traveling the next couple of days, but I will do my best to keep this going!

Patience, my precioussss… 🙂  
(If Bilbo and Gollum had played Botticelli, it would have been a much longer book…)

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**Author:** ![Labtrash](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/labtrash/32/528_2.png) [@Labtrash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labtrash)\
**Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/236 "2013-02-04T21:19:27Z")

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> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#):
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> IQ1: Are you a 17th century French playwright noted for your mastery of the 12 syllable Alexandrine rhyme scheme?
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> IQ2: Are you a late 19th century French playwright who was consciously imitating the above writer?
> 
> IQ3: Are you a scandalous French poet who smuggled guns and slaves in Somalia?

Not Jean Racine  
DQ for you  
Not Rimbaud

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**Author:** ![Labtrash](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/labtrash/32/528_2.png) [@Labtrash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labtrash)\
**Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/237 "2013-02-04T21:21:01Z")

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Letter is R

1. I am real.
2. I am male.

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**Author:** ![Labtrash](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/labtrash/32/528_2.png) [@Labtrash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labtrash)\
**Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/238 "2013-02-04T21:26:32Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Did the butler offer to hold your trident?  
> Were you succeeded on your fictional throne by someone who wasn’t entitled to do so?  
> Did your brother joke about how he would tell the world something about you?

DQ for the trident  
DQ for throne  
Not Mitt Romney

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**Author:** ![Labtrash](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/labtrash/32/528_2.png) [@Labtrash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labtrash)\
**Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/239 "2013-02-04T21:27:36Z")

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Letter is R

1. I am real.
2. I am male.
3. I am dead

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**Author:** ![Labtrash](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/labtrash/32/528_2.png) [@Labtrash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labtrash)\
**Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/240 "2013-02-04T21:32:51Z")

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> [@SCAdian](#):
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> IQ1: Was God your co-pilot?  
> IQ2: Were you known for fighting oil-well fires?  
> IQ3: Did one of your companions say that he was just going outside and might be some time?

Not Robert Scott  
Not Red Adair  
DQ for you

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