# Botticelli - January 2013 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 7, 2013, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391 "2013-01-07T20:36:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2013, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/121 "2013-01-17T16:32:28Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > IQs: > > Were you all wet, and always wet, in a kid’s sf adventure show? > Did you not like to pick people for a particular task whose eyes were too close to their noses? > Were you the fictional counterpart of the person just referred to? Darwin the dolphin in _SeaQuestDSV_. Noted trial lawyer Clarence Darrow when choosing jurors; just a quirk of his. Henry Drummond in _Inherit the Wind_. > [@Spoons](#): > > This duplicates a DQ that **SCAdian** asked before you, so since I have already answered it, take another DQ… Thanks; I’d missed that. DQs: First appeared since 1965? Caucasian? Considered a “good guy”? One DQ reserved. IQs: Were you a very successful businessman who always encouraged the adoption of children? Did you argue with a warrant officer in a hallway about someone else? Did Brian Cox play your dad on a hit TV show? > [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#): > > …before eventually becoming the US Ambassador to Great Britain yourself?.. Nitpick: U.S. Ambassador to the Court of St. James’s. ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2013, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/122 "2013-01-17T22:43:00Z")
IQs: Were you an Italian war orphan brought to the States and adopted by an American soldier? Were you a computer repairman with a prosthetic arm, who became a revolutionary? Plus the as-yet unanswered IQ from post #118… ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/123 "2013-01-18T05:40:22Z")
> [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#): > > DQ: Would the genre of your films fall under the sci-fi, fantasy, and horror umbrella? No. The genre of my films does not fall under the sci-fi, fantasy, and horror umbrella. Summary for D: 1. Not real. 2. Male. 3. American. 4. Last name does not start with D. 5. First appeared since 1950. 6. Been portrayed on screen. 7. Did not first appear in print. 8. If I was real, I’d be alive today. 9. Not an artist. 10. First appeared in a movie. 11. First appeared prior to 1980. 12. I have appeared in multiple films. 13. Mainly, I work for myself and my friends. 14. The genre of my films does not fall under the sci-fi, fantasy, and horror umbrella. > [@](#): > > IQ1: Are you the king of the surf guitar? > IQ2: Were you adopted by the US Ambassador to Italy and Great Britian, then temporarily by the US President, then your uncle, before eventually becoming the US Ambassador to Great Britain yourself? > IQ3: Did you famously have a green light at the end of your dock? For IQ1, I’ll guess Dick Dale. For the others, two DQs (three is Dale is wrong). ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/124 "2013-01-18T05:45:19Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > DQs: > > First appeared since 1965? > Caucasian? > Considered a “good guy”? First appeared prior to 1965. Yes, Caucasian. The way I am presented, I am considered a “good guy.” Summary for D: 1. Not real. 2. Male. 3. American. 4. Last name does not start with D. 5. First appeared since 1950. 6. Been portrayed on screen. 7. Did not first appear in print. 8. If I was real, I’d be alive today. 9. Not an artist. 10. First appeared in a movie. 11. First appeared prior to 1980. 12. I have appeared in multiple films. 13. Mainly, I work for myself and my friends. 14. The genre of my films does not fall under the sci-fi, fantasy, and horror umbrella. 15. First appeared prior to 1965. 16. Caucasian. 17. The way I am presented, I am considered a “good guy.” > [@](#): > > IQs: > > Were you a very successful businessman who always encouraged the adoption of children? > Did you argue with a warrant officer in a hallway about someone else? > Did Brian Cox play your dad on a hit TV show? For the first two, no idea; two DQs. For the last, I’m not Daphne Moon. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/125 "2013-01-18T05:48:12Z")
> [@SCAdian](#): > > IQs: > > Were you an Italian war orphan brought to the States and adopted by an American soldier? > Were you a computer repairman with a prosthetic arm, who became a revolutionary? For the first, I’m not Dondi; for the second, I don’t know. DQ for you. > [@](#): > > Plus the as-yet unanswered IQ from post #118… Sorry about that. That one was: > [@](#): > > Did your company commander call you 'Private Bullshit"? I’m not Donald Malarkey. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/126 "2013-01-18T18:08:27Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > IQs: > > Were you a very successful businessman who always encouraged the adoption of children? > Did you argue with a warrant officer in a hallway about someone else? > Did Brian Cox play your dad on a hit TV show? Dave Thomas, founder of the Wendy’s hamburger chain (and frequent TV pitchman). He was adopted himself. Dallas argued with Ripley about the _Nostromo_’s new science officer, Ash, in _Alien_. Yes, Daphne Moon on _Frasier_. With my earlier unasked DQ, I have three now. Thinking out loud, since we’re down to just that many DQs… shall we narrow the genre down some more? I’m wondering if this is either a spy, cop or criminal character, but I’m drawing a blank as to who it might be. Any suggestions? ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/127 "2013-01-18T20:26:51Z")
> [@SCAdian](#): > > IQs: > > Were you an Italian war orphan brought to the States and adopted by an American soldier? > Were you a computer repairman with a prosthetic arm, who became a revolutionary? > [@SCAdian](#): > > IQ: > > Did your company commander call you 'Private Bullshit"? > [@Spoons](#): > > For the first, I’m not Dondi; for the second, I don’t know. DQ for you. > > I’m not Donald Malarkey. Correct on Dondi and Malarkey. Manuel Garcia O’Kelly-Davis, from _The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress_. I now have four unused DQs. Do we have an official limit on the number of DQs that can be used before we must give up? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/128 "2013-01-18T21:07:36Z")
> [@SCAdian](#): > > …I now have four unused DQs. Do we have an official limit on the number of DQs that can be used before we must give up? Customarily, we get to ask a total of 20 DQs, then everyone who’s earned a DQ this round gets to ask a “Are you [firstname lastname]?” final question of the gamemaster ( **Spoons** this time 'round). We can fully discuss our options and theories before posing our final questions. ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2013, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/129 "2013-01-19T02:43:27Z")
IQ: Did you work for ZOWIE? ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/130 "2013-01-19T19:01:33Z")
> [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#): > > IQ1: Are you the king of the surf guitar? > IQ2: Were you adopted by the US Ambassador to Italy and Great Britian, then temporarily by the US President, then your uncle, before eventually becoming the US Ambassador to Great Britain yourself? > IQ3: Did you famously have a green light at the end of your dock? Correct on Dick Dale. IQ2: Damien Thorn, the Antichrist character in the \*Omen \*movies. IQ3: Daisy Buchanan from _The Great Gatsby_ I agree narrowing down the genre will be the most fruitful path. So far we know male American “good guy” first appeared in a film between 1950 and 1965. It was multiple films, and it’s not sci-fi or horror, two franchise friendly genres. Cops, spies, and detectives tend to get sequels. He most works for himself or his friends, which to me eliminates a spy or espionage thriller character. Maybe a private investigator? Westerns were popular at that time. Did many spawn sequels? It seems that the ones considered classics, such as High Noon, Shane, The Searchers, didn’t, but that era is before my time. I’ll take one of my DQs. DQ: Are you a private investigator or detective? ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2013, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/131 "2013-01-19T20:54:22Z")
> [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#): > > I’ll take one of my DQs. > DQ: Are you a private investigator or detective? I am not a private investigator or detective. 1. Not real. 2. Male. 3. American. 4. Last name does not start with D. 5. First appeared since 1950. 6. Been portrayed on screen. 7. Did not first appear in print. 8. If I was real, I’d be alive today. 9. Not an artist. 10. First appeared in a movie. 11. First appeared prior to 1980. 12. I have appeared in multiple films. 13. Mainly, I work for myself and my friends. 14. The genre of my films does not fall under the sci-fi, fantasy, and horror umbrella. 15. First appeared prior to 1965. 16. Caucasian. 17. The way I am presented, I am considered a “good guy.” 18. Not a private investigator or detective. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2013, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/132 "2013-01-20T00:09:06Z")
I think I might have it. IQ: Were you played by both Frank Sinatra and George Clooney? ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2013, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/133 "2013-01-20T01:20:14Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I think I might have it. > > IQ: > > Were you played by both Frank Sinatra and George Clooney? You do indeed have it, because I am master thief Danny Ocean! First portrayed by Frank Sinatra in the original 1962 _Oceans 11_, and later in 2001 (and subsequently) by George Clooney. Well done, **Elendil’s Heir**! I’ll look forward to your next round. (Will you be continuing the alphabet?) ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2013, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/134 "2013-01-20T02:08:26Z")
Nicely played, **Elendil’s Heir**!!! ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2013, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/135 "2013-01-20T03:58:12Z")
Good job, **Elendil’s Heir**!! The “multiple films” clue had me fixated on sequels. I didn’t even think of remakes. ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2013, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/136 "2013-01-20T04:07:13Z")
> [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#): > > Good job, **Elendil’s Heir**!! The “multiple films” clue had me fixated on sequels. I didn’t even think of remakes. Ditto! Not to mention that I’ve never seen any of these movies… ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2013, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/137 "2013-01-20T05:39:40Z")
> [@SCAdian](#): > > Ditto! > > Not to mention that I’ve never seen any of these movies… You should. The original was a way for Sinatra and his Rat Pack pals to have a little fun making a movie (although IMHO, it is longer than it needs to be); but the premise was sound. The 2001 remake, and its sequels, capitalize on that. They’re all heist movies: let’s rip off casinos, because they have a lot of cash on hand and we could use the dough. In short, they’re fun criminal romps, where the criminals are “good guys,” and the law enforcement, such as it is, are “bad guys.” ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2013, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/138 "2013-01-20T19:45:56Z")
Thanks, everybody. > [@Spoons](#): > > You should. The original was a way for Sinatra and his Rat Pack pals to have a little fun making a movie (although IMHO, it is longer than it needs to be); but the premise was sound. The 2001 remake, and its sequels, capitalize on that. They’re all heist movies: let’s rip off casinos, because they have a lot of cash on hand and we could use the dough. In short, they’re fun criminal romps, where the criminals are “good guys,” and the law enforcement, such as it is, are “bad guys.” I confess I’ve never seen the Sinatra original, but I really enjoyed the more recent series. Far-fetched but fun. What the hell… let’s continue the alphabetical-order trend with E. ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2013, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/139 "2013-01-20T19:59:19Z")
My last ‘D’ question (“Did you work for ZOWIE?”) was a reference to Derek Flint. Moving right along… IQs: Did you receive a Medal of Honor as a WWI fighter pilot? Did you receive a Victoria Cross as a WWI fighter pilot? Did you receive a Medal of Honor as a WWII fighter pilot? ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2013, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2013/646391/140 "2013-01-20T21:18:20Z")
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