# Botticelli - January 2020 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [December 31, 2019, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2020/845679 "2019-12-31T17:46:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2020/845679/221 "2020-01-27T01:52:48Z")
A long shot: Are you Mr. Rosepettle, the titular Dad in _Oh Dad, Poor Dad, Mama’s Hung You In The Closet And I’m Feeling So Sad_? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2020/845679/222 "2020-01-27T15:33:42Z")
I am not. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2020/845679/223 "2020-01-27T17:24:40Z")
Time’s up. I am, in fact, Abner Ravenwood Father of Marion Ravenwood, and a noted archeologist who was mentioned but never seen in _Raiders of the Lost Ark_: [Abner Ravenwood | Indiana Jones Wiki | Fandom](https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Abner_Ravenwood) ---
**Author:** ![De\_La\_Rue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@De\_La\_Rue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/De_La_Rue)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2020/845679/224 "2020-01-27T18:00:48Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Time’s up. I am, in fact, > > Abner Ravenwood > > Father of Marion Ravenwood, and a noted archeologist who was mentioned but never seen in _Raiders of the Lost Ark_: [Abner Ravenwood | Indiana Jones Wiki | Fandom](https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Abner_Ravenwood) …so what did you mean by “not from a filmed dramatic work”, and “character may have been created from 1970-1979”? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2020/845679/225 "2020-01-27T18:18:42Z")
As I noted in post 178, Wiki does not describe the movie as a drama or dramatic work: [Raiders of the Lost Ark - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raiders_of_the_Lost_Ark). George Lucas wrote a first draft of the movie in 1973: [Raiders of the Lost Ark - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raiders_of_the_Lost_Ark#Development). It is unclear at point the character Abner Ravenwood was created before the movie’s release in 1981. ---
**Author:** ![De\_La\_Rue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@De\_La\_Rue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/De_La_Rue)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2020/845679/226 "2020-01-27T18:49:09Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > As I noted in post 178, Wiki does not describe the movie as a drama or dramatic work: [Raiders of the Lost Ark - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raiders_of_the_Lost_Ark). Which is why question #6 clarifies a “filmed dramatic work” as “movie, TV, etc.” (Wikipedia also [describes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drama_(film_and_television)) “all forms of cinema or television that involve fictional stories” as “forms of drama in the broader sense if their storytelling is achieved by means of actors who represent…characters”, which is the definition of “dramatic work” I intended.) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2020/845679/227 "2020-01-27T19:07:32Z")
The key word is indeed “dramatic.” There are many movies described by Wiki as dramas; \*Raiders \*is not one of them. **Prof. P.** saw my point in post 212. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2020/845679/228 "2020-01-27T19:22:08Z")
Yeah, my beef would be with Wiki, not EH. I tend to think of movies as either dramas or comedies. And, yes, I have indeed heard of Abner, and think that was a very good choice. Play on! ---
**Author:** ![De\_La\_Rue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@De\_La\_Rue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/De_La_Rue)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2020/845679/229 "2020-01-27T19:28:15Z")
So the **genre** of drama, as opposed to action-adventure. Okay then. I’ll be sure to ask only about a character being from film or television in the future, so there’s no ambiguity. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2020/845679/230 "2020-01-27T19:43:40Z")
Thanks. If I was thinking of a character from, say, _Duck Soup_ (either of them) or _Dumb and Dumber_, I think a “yes” answer to question 6 would be misleading. I’ll start the next round shortly. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2020/845679/231 "2020-01-27T19:55:17Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Thanks. If I was thinking of a character from, say, _Duck Soup_ (either of them) or _Dumb and Dumber_, I think a “yes” answer to question 6 would be misleading. > > I’ll start the next\*\* round short\*\*ly. Was that another Indiana Jones reference? Short Round? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2020/845679/232 "2020-01-27T20:01:22Z")
Ha! Hadn’t even thought of that. Our next letter is S And we’ll just have to see how short a round it is… ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2020/845679/233 "2020-01-27T20:05:31Z")
IQs: 1. Did John Rhys-Davies play you in the Indiana Jones movies? 2. Did Kate Capshaw play you in the 2nd Indiana Jones movie? 3. Did you seduce both Indiana Jones and his dad in the 3rd movie? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2020/845679/234 "2020-01-27T20:28:04Z")
Not Sallah, not Short Round (ha!), and dunno. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2020/845679/235 "2020-01-27T20:33:22Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > IQs: > > 1. Did John Rhys-Davies play you in the Indiana Jones movies? > 2. Did Kate Capshaw play you in the 2nd Indiana Jones movie? > 3. Did you seduce both Indiana Jones and his dad in the 3rd movie? > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Not Sallah, not Short Round (ha!), and dunno. Correct on Sallah. The lovely Kate Capshaw (future Mrs. Spielberg) did not play the little fat Asian kid, but Willie Scott, love interest. Elsa Schneider was an undercover Nazi who also sought the Grail. DQs: 1. Real? 2. Male? ---
**Author:** ![De\_La\_Rue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@De\_La\_Rue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/De_La_Rue)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2020/845679/236 "2020-01-27T20:43:24Z")
IQs: 1. Was Tony Vallelonga your chauffeur? 2. Were you a bobcat in _Adventures from the Book of Virtues_? 3. Were you president of an archipelagic country for 31 years? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2020/845679/237 "2020-01-27T20:58:41Z")
Anybody seen atimnie? He hasn’t posted online for a week. IQs? 1. Did you play the lead in the movie _Swashbuckler_? 2. Do you play the Winter Soldier in the MCU? 3. Did G. K. Chesterton declare at one point that you looked like you’d been in a famine? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2020/845679/238 "2020-01-27T21:21:00Z")
> [@De\_La\_Rue](#): > > IQs: > > 1. Was Tony Vallelonga your chauffeur? > 2. Were you a bobcat in _Adventures from the Book of Virtues_? > 3. Were you president of an archipelagic country for 31 years? Dunno, dunno and not Suharto (or Sukarno). > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > …IQs? > > 1. Did you play the lead in the movie _Swashbuckler_? > 2. Do you play the Winter Soldier in the MCU? > 3. Did G. K. Chesterton declare at one point that you looked like you’d been in a famine? Dunno, not Sebastian Stans, and not George Bernard Shaw (who suggested that perhaps the very well-fed Chesterton had caused the famine, IIRC). I’ll shoot \*\*atimnie \*\*a PM. S. 1. real 2. female ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2020/845679/239 "2020-01-27T22:04:26Z")
> [@](#): > > 1. Did you play the lead in the movie Swashbuckler? > 2. Do you play the Winter Soldier in the MCU? > 3. Did G. K. Chesterton declare at one point that you looked like you’d been in a famine? > Dunno, not Sebastian Stans, and not George Bernard Shaw (who suggested that perhaps the very well-fed Chesterton had caused the famine, IIRC). #1 was Robert Shaw. #2 is Sebastian Stan, but no points off for spelling. #3 is correct. DQ: Living? ---
**Author:** ![Personal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Personal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Personal)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2020/845679/240 "2020-01-28T01:52:41Z")
I’m a newbie, and I’m just going to jump in. If I err please let me know. IQs: 1. Did you play first base for the Dodgers in the 70s and 80s? 2. Did you marry another world-class tennis player in 2001? 3. Are you a former governor who famously hiked the Appalachian Trail? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2020/845679.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-january-2020/845679.md?page=13)