# Botticelli, July 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [July 1, 2023, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-july-2023/986407 "2023-07-01T15:38:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2023, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-july-2023/986407/401 "2023-07-24T18:24:13Z")
Wow, I had no idea Shel Silverstein wrote those lyrics!: [A Boy Named Sue - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Boy_Named_Sue) S. 1. fictional 2. last name begins with S 3. probably dead now 4. male 5. not the main character 6. not originally from prose 7. American among other creators 8. not originally from TV or movies 9. accounts differ, but probably created after 1950 10. an antagonist, of sorts 11. an unseen character 12. not originally from theater 13. not originally from comics 14. created before 1985 15. not an urban legend 16. not from a children’s song or poem 17. not from an epic poem ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2023, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-july-2023/986407/402 "2023-07-24T22:48:59Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > not from a children’s song or poem Well there goes John Jangle Jinglehammer Schmidt as a guess. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![kitap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b9e5f3/32.png) [@kitap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kitap)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2023, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-july-2023/986407/403 "2023-07-25T04:48:52Z")
> [@kitap](#): > > 1. Are you and your husband Rohan the main characters of Melanie Rawn’s Dragon Prince trilogy? > 2. Are you the main character of Andre Norton’s book **Witch World**? > 3. Did you write **The Hundred and One Dalmatians**? Sioned, Simon Tregarth, Dodie Smith. ---
**Author:** ![De\_La\_Rue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@De\_La\_Rue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/De_La_Rue)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2023, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-july-2023/986407/404 "2023-07-25T15:29:39Z")
DQ: has been adapted into prose, TV, movies, theater, and/or comics? 1 DQ reserved. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2023, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-july-2023/986407/405 "2023-07-25T17:48:18Z")
S. 1. fictional 2. last name begins with S 3. probably dead now 4. male 5. not the main character 6. not originally from prose 7. American among other creators 8. not originally from TV or movies 9. accounts differ, but probably created after 1950 10. an antagonist, of sorts 11. an unseen character 12. not originally from theater 13. not originally from comics 14. created before 1985 15. not an urban legend 16. not from a children’s song or poem 17. not from an epic poem 18. has not been adapted into prose, TV, movies, theater, and/or comics Please ask all earned DQs by noon EST tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2023, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-july-2023/986407/406 "2023-07-25T18:19:15Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > 1. not an urban legend > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > 1. has not been adapted into prose, TV, movies, theater, and/or comics Well, that rules out my Slenderman suspicion. ---
**Author:** ![kitap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b9e5f3/32.png) [@kitap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kitap)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-july-2023/986407/407 "2023-07-26T04:19:25Z")
DQ: from a song? ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-july-2023/986407/408 "2023-07-26T06:13:07Z")
@Elendiil\_s\_Heir I think you forgot to go back and answer these DQs from kitap (which are probably the ones I would like to ask if I had any DQs left) > [@kitap](#): > > - From ads? > - Human? ---
**Author:** ![De\_La\_Rue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@De\_La\_Rue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/De_La_Rue)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-july-2023/986407/409 "2023-07-26T15:54:33Z")
Final DQ: unusual last name? So, to sum up: We have a fictional somewhat antagonistic male unseen character whose last name begins with S, likely created between 1950-1960, and neither originally from prose, TV, movies, theater, and comics, nor adapted into prose, TV, movies, theater, and comics. We’ve ruled out children’s songs but not songs in general, or–if it’s not covered by TV–advertizing. I dunno, man. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-july-2023/986407/410 "2023-07-26T17:17:51Z")
Also ruled out mythology (created after 1950) and folklore (not an urban legend). ---
**Author:** ![De\_La\_Rue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@De\_La\_Rue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/De_La_Rue)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-july-2023/986407/411 "2023-07-26T17:20:39Z")
“accounts differ, but probably created after 1950” also points at an uncertain origin. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-july-2023/986407/412 "2023-07-26T17:49:17Z")
Also the interestingly ambigous “American among other” creators suggests something that arose culturally rather than being designed. So something sort of meme-like but from around the 50’s. ---
**Author:** ![De\_La\_Rue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@De\_La\_Rue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/De_La_Rue)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-july-2023/986407/413 "2023-07-26T18:17:23Z")
I’m leaning towards something like Kilroy or Mr. Yuk. Except “unseen character” implies there’s a narrative. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-july-2023/986407/414 "2023-07-26T21:26:06Z")
Sorry, don’t know how I overlooked those two earlier DQs from **kitap**. S. 1. fictional 2. last name begins with S 3. probably dead now 4. male 5. not the main character 6. not originally from prose 7. American among other creators 8. not originally from TV or movies 9. accounts differ, but probably created after 1950 10. an antagonist, of sorts 11. an unseen character 12. not originally from theater 13. not originally from comics 14. created before 1985 15. not an urban legend 16. not from a children’s song or poem 17. not from an epic poem 18. has not been adapted into prose, TV, movies, theater, and/or comics 19. not from ads 20. human 21. from a song 22. not an unusual last name Continue to tawk amongst yourselves, and ask all earned “Are you Firstname Lastname?” questions by noon EST Friday, please. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-july-2023/986407/415 "2023-07-26T23:09:15Z")
There’s an awful lot of songs to cover. Time to think. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-july-2023/986407/416 "2023-07-27T01:03:05Z")
So he’s something of an antagonist, so maybe he took somebodies girl or is in some way acting as an obstruction. The time of creation and the creator is somewhat ambiguous so it could be a folk song. Unfortunately since I started wracking my brains for song S last names I have “Mr. Sandman”, who fails at least 4 of the criteria, running through my brain non-stop. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-july-2023/986407/417 "2023-07-27T01:14:10Z")
At least your earworm starts with an “S”; I keep getting stuck on “Tom Dooley”. ---
**Author:** ![De\_La\_Rue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@De\_La\_Rue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/De_La_Rue)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-july-2023/986407/418 "2023-07-27T01:30:50Z")
Maybe something from a musical? ---
**Author:** ![kitap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b9e5f3/32.png) [@kitap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kitap)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-july-2023/986407/419 "2023-07-27T01:42:40Z")
I’m stuck on **M.T.A.** ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-july-2023/986407/420 "2023-07-27T02:42:45Z")
> [@De\_La\_Rue](#): > > Maybe something from a musical? Its not originally from theater which I think would probably rule that out. Also a musical would probably having a well defined creation date and author nationality. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-july-2023/986407.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-july-2023/986407.md?page=22)