# Botticelli, June 2011 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [June 5, 2011, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2011/584366 "2011-06-05T04:05:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2011/584366/201 "2011-06-11T06:23:40Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > DQ: When a title is used with your one name, is that title ‘Doctor’? No. > [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > IQ: Are you a Québécois luthier? I’m pretty sure he was American and not Canadian, but I’ll take a stab with Orville Gibson of Gibson Guitars fame. If I’m wrong, and I probably am, take another DQ. > [@Sternvogel](#): > > DQ: Was your original film appearance in black-and-white? No > [@](#): > > IQ: Are you an inventive bird? No. Take a DQ Recap: 1. Fictional 2. Not female 3. From a work of science fiction or fantasy 4. Not human 5. First appearance prior to 21st century but has appeared in the 21st century 6. G is either only initial or initial after a title 7. Usually a villian, but not always 8. First appearance was not in print 9. Not a cartoon 10. Not American 11. Creator is Japanese 12. First appeared in a movie 13. Title referenced in #6 above is not “Doctor”. 14. Original film appearance was not in black-and-white ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2011/584366/202 "2011-06-11T14:23:07Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by **Le Ministre de l’au-delà** > IQ: Are you a Québécois luthier? > [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#): > > I’m pretty sure he was American and not Canadian, but I’ll take a stab with Orville Gibson of Gibson Guitars fame. If I’m wrong, and I probably am, take another DQ. I’m afraid that while Orville Gibson was born in Chateauguay, it was the one in New York and not Châteauguay, QC which is at the confluence of the Riviere Châteauguay and the Fleuve St. Laurent. (An interesting side-note - this means that Orville Gibson and my great-Grandfather grew up less than 10km from each other, and in fact, my great-Grandfather probably fired his rifle in Orville’s direction a few times. GG Peter was decorated for his marksmanship during the time of the Feinian Raids.) Orville Gibson was, indeed, an American. At any rate, no, I was thinking of Robert Godin who makes Godin, Simon and Patrick, Seagull, Norman and La Patrie guitars out of the tiny community of La Patrie, QC. DQ: When you are not a villain, have you done battle with monsters? ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2011/584366/203 "2011-06-11T19:19:58Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > DQ: When you are not a villain, have you done battle with monsters? Yes Recap: 1. Fictional 2. Not female 3. From a work of science fiction or fantasy 4. Not human 5. First appearance prior to 21st century but has appeared in the 21st century 6. G is either only initial or initial after a title 7. Usually a villain, but not always 8. First appearance was not in print 9. Not a cartoon 10. Not American 11. Creator is Japanese 12. First appeared in a movie 13. Title referenced in #6 above is not “Doctor”. 14. Original film appearance was not in black-and-white 15. When not a villain, have done battle with monsters ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2011/584366/204 "2011-06-11T20:26:05Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > …IQ: Were you very important to an amateur espionage agent? Ole Golly, nanny and confidante to the title character in _Harriet the Spy_. I’ll reserve my DQ for now. Any suggestions on what I should ask? I can’t think of anyone who fits the thus-far-answered DQs. IQ: Did you go with your mom to see JFK just a few days before his assassination? ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2011/584366/205 "2011-06-11T20:53:04Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I’ll reserve my DQ for now. Any suggestions on what I should ask? I can’t think of anyone who fits the thus-far-answered DQs. None - I’m quite stuck. The only two Japanese movie monsters I can think of have already been asked as IQs, and it’s that title plus usually single name that begins with a ‘g’ that has me stymied. I don’t think I’ll get any further without google/wiki/imdb cheating. Could professor be the title? Could this be an alien rather than a monster? Am I just plain barking up the wrong tree? My knowledge of recent Japanese live action monsters is not up to my hunch, and my hunch could very well be wrong. Are there any martial arts kind of movies that might fit the bill? Colour me stumped, at least for now… ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2011, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2011/584366/206 "2011-06-12T01:32:36Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > IQ: Did you go with your mom to see JFK just a few days before his assassination? I remember hearing that story, but can’t remember who it was. Take another DQ. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2011, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2011/584366/207 "2011-06-12T03:24:41Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > …IQ: Did you go with your mom to see JFK just a few days before his assassination? George W. Bush, who was 17 when he saw the President’s motorcade in Houston with his mother Barbara. Building on **Le Ministre** ’s suggestion, I’ll ask: DQ: Are you ever referred to as “Professor”? For my other DQ, I’ll await further suggestions. IQ: A woman removed from her own culture, have you been played by two, but only two, actresses? ---
**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2011, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2011/584366/208 "2011-06-12T05:05:59Z")
> [@Sternvogel](#): > > IQ: Are you an inventive bird? Gyro Gearloose, who was always coming up with gadgets and innovations in Disney comics. DQ: Although not a human character, were you played by a human actor? IQ: Did you say you wanted no part of a revolution which didn’t allow dancing? ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2011, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2011/584366/209 "2011-06-12T14:10:12Z")
IQ: Are you the King of Birds? ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2011, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2011/584366/210 "2011-06-12T18:10:17Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > DQ: Are you ever referred to as “Professor”? No > [@](#): > > IQ: A woman removed from her own culture, have you been played by two, but only two, actresses? No. Take a DQ. > [@Sternvogel](#): > > DQ: Although not a human character, were you played by a human actor? Most of the time. To clarify: In long shots, a human actor. In close ups, usually puppetry was involved, possibly even CGI for the most recent appearances. All of my appearances do have a human’s name listed in the credits for my character, and it is not for voice acting. > [@](#): > > IQ: Did you say you wanted no part of a revolution which didn’t allow dancing? No. I figured the quote in “V for Vendetta” was referencing something, but I don’t what. Take a DQ. > [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > IQ: Are you the King of Birds? The only King of Birds I know is the R.E.M. song, and nobody in R.E.M. has the initial G. Take a DQ. Recap: 1. Fictional 2. Not female 3. From a work of science fiction or fantasy 4. Not human 5. First appearance prior to 21st century but has appeared in the 21st century 6. G is either only initial or initial after a title 7. Usually a villain, but not always 8. First appearance was not in print 9. Not a cartoon 10. Not American 11. Creator is Japanese 12. First appeared in a movie 13. Title referenced in #6 above is not “Doctor”. 14. Original film appearance was not in black-and-white 15. When not a villain, have done battle with monsters 16. Title referenced in #6 is not “Professor” 17. Portrayed by human actor in some shots, puppet in others ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2011, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2011/584366/211 "2011-06-12T21:51:19Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by **Le Ministre de l’au-delà** > IQ: Are you the King of Birds? > [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#): > > The only King of Birds I know is the R.E.M. song, and nobody in R.E.M. has the initial G. Take a DQ. Then you’re not **Garuda** , who is the King of Birds and allows Vishnu to fly on his back in the Mahabharata. DQ: Are you an alien? ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2011/584366/212 "2011-06-13T00:29:13Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > DQ: Are you an alien? Yes, most of the time. Another clarification is in order: Thanks to reboots/retcons/whatever I have multiple origin stories. In my first appearance, I am an alien, and the majority of my appearances use this backstory. However, there have been 2 reboots where my origin is terrestrial in nature. The two terrestrial origin stories are different. In both cases I had exactly one appearance with the new backstory, then in my next appearance I was an alien again, with no acknowledgment of the terrestrial origin story. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2011/584366/213 "2011-06-13T00:47:18Z")
As you said much earlier, Lord Chock: > [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#): > > Man, you are killing me. The feeling is mutual!! Good Lord, somebody put me out of my misery. Each clue simply destroys the slim straw I had been clutching in desperation! ---
**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2011/584366/214 "2011-06-13T01:51:46Z")
> [@Sternvogel](#): > > IQ: Did you say you wanted no part of a revolution which didn’t allow dancing? This was the anarchist Emma Goldman. DQ: Is your “G” name also a word commonly used to refer to someone or something besides you? (I don’t have an idea either way, I’m just fishing.) IQ: Are you a Harlem Globetrotter with a gander-related nickname? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2011/584366/215 "2011-06-13T02:16:32Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > …IQ: A woman removed from her own culture, have you been played by two, but only two, actresses? Amanda Grayson, Spock’s mother in _Star Trek_, played by Jane Wyatt and Winona Ryder. Any other DQ suggestions, sportsfans? IQ: Did the same actor play you on _Star Trek_, and also a character in another iconic work of science fiction just a few years later? This round is tough. I admit, given the answers so far, I have the sneaking suspicion that the answer will fail the as-well-known-as-Sandro-Botticelli rule. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2011/584366/216 "2011-06-13T03:04:23Z")
Could it be something from ‘Mighty something Power Rangers’? I thought they were TV first, though. I’m just not up on originally live action science fiction films by a Japanese creator. (For the record, I always confuse Botticelli with Boccherini - I think of the string quartets with guitar long before the artworks of Sandro B.) So, I freely admit there may well be some work out there that my kids would know that I’ve never heard of. ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2011/584366/217 "2011-06-13T08:17:38Z")
> [@Sternvogel](#): > > DQ: Is your “G” name also a word commonly used to refer to someone or something besides you? (I don’t have an idea either way, I’m just fishing.) No it’s just a name. > [@](#): > > IQ: Are you a Harlem Globetrotter with a gander-related nickname? No, I am not Goose Tatum > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > IQ: Did the same actor play you on _Star Trek_, and also a character in another iconic work of science fiction just a few years later? No, I am not Gary Mitchell from the second Star Trek pilot, played by Gary Lockwood, who later starred in 2001:A Space Odyssey > [@](#): > > This round is tough. I admit, given the answers so far, I have the sneaking suspicion that the answer will fail the as-well-known-as-Sandro-Botticelli rule. I hope not. Within the past two weeks, Turner Classic Movies aired a double feature of two of my films in prime time. Recap: 1. Fictional 2. Not female 3. From a work of science fiction or fantasy 4. Not human 5. First appearance prior to 21st century but has appeared in the 21st century 6. G is either only initial or initial after a title 7. Usually a villain, but not always 8. First appearance was not in print 9. Not a cartoon 10. Not American 11. Creator is Japanese 12. First appeared in a movie 13. Title referenced in #6 above is not “Doctor”. 14. Original film appearance was not in black-and-white 15. When not a villain, have done battle with monsters 16. Title referenced in #6 is not “Professor” 17. Portrayed by human actor in some shots, puppet in others 18. G name not a common word, it’s just my name ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2011/584366/218 "2011-06-13T09:03:33Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > DQ: Are you an alien? > [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > ``` > Could this be an alien rather than a monster? > > ``` I think this may be a source of confusion. Back in post 205 it seemed to me like you were on the right track and were getting close. But something threw you off and I think I figured it out. I interpreted “alien” to mean “not from Earth”. But your earlier thinking-aloud post makes me think you had an implied “rather than a monster” in your DQ. When I answered the question “alien” meant “extraterrestrial in origin” but did not mean “not a monster”. I hope that helps ease your pain. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2011/584366/219 "2011-06-13T11:25:08Z")
IQ: Did Igor Stravinsky refer to you as ‘the crank of chromaticism’? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2011/584366/220 "2011-06-13T14:28:40Z")
IQ: Did you get into trouble when you slapped a police officer? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2011/584366.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2011/584366.md?page=12)