# Botticelli - June 2012

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**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [June 7, 2012, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2012/624406 "2012-06-07T17:23:44Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![MissTake](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misstake/32/3189_2.png) [@MissTake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MissTake)\
**Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2012/624406/281 "2012-06-22T01:59:12Z")

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> [@MissTake](#):
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> IQ1: Did you lose your head?  
> IQ2: Did you despise a Dane?

Ichabod Crane / Iago.  
Will pend my 2 DQ’s for a bit.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2012/624406/282 "2012-06-22T04:45:54Z")

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> [@MissTake](#):
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> Ichabod Crane / Iago.  
> Will pend my 2 DQ’s for a bit.

Iago despised Othello, not “the melancholy Dane,” Hamlet, right?  
My question “Did a writer named after a U.S. President immortalize you?” was also about Ichabod Crane.

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**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\
**Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2012/624406/283 "2012-06-22T14:09:58Z")

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I was wondering if that was a reference to Iago’s lines while tricking Cassio into drinking too much…

Act II, sc. 3

```
* Iago. I learned it in England, where, indeed, they are
  most potent in potting: your Dane, your German, and 
  your swag-bellied Hollander—Drink, ho!—are nothing
  to your English. 

* Cassio. Is your Englishman so expert in his drinking? 

* Iago. Why, he drinks you, with facility, your Dane dead
  drunk; he sweats not to overthrow your Almain; he 
  gives your Hollander a vomit, ere the next pottle
  can be filled.
```

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**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\
**Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2012/624406/284 "2012-06-22T14:26:07Z")

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> [@Spoons](#):
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> I’ll bring forward my DQs.
> 
> DQ: Are you involved in politics?
> 
> DQ: Are you a character in literature?

> [@Elendil's Heir](#):
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> Were you a noted comic actress?  
> During the American Revolution and its aftermath, was your brother a much-better-known man than you were?  
> Did you recently speak at Oberlin College and bask in the students’ adulation?

I am not Irene Ryan, who played Granny on _The Beverly Hillbillies._ No idea on the other two, so 2 DQs.

> [@Spoons](#):
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> IQ1: Are you regarded as a co-creator of Mickey Mouse, together with Walt Disney?
> 
> IQ2: Were you a department store mogul who died in the Titanic tragedy?
> 
> IQ3: Were you the wife of the man in IQ2?

3 DQs. Although I bet I’m going to smack myself over the head about the _Titanic_ couple.

> [@Le Ministre de l'au-dela](#):
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> IQ1: Are you the most famous character Mandy Patinkin has ever played?
> 
> IQ2: Are you a handsome, blonde Russian spy?
> 
> IQ3: Did you compose three ballets for impressario Sergei Diagalev’s ‘Ballet Russe’ in the early 20th century?

1. Not Inigo Montoya.

2. DQ

3. I’m not Isadora Duncan? Otherwise a DQ.

> [@Enginerd](#):
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> IQ1: Did you style yourself the uncrowned King of Scotland?  
> IQ2: Did your trading career end with a prison sentence and a $100 million fine?

1. I’m not Idi Amin.
2. No idea - a DQ.

DQ Summary

1. I am a man.
2. I am a fictional character.
3. I am not known for any contribution to The Arts.
4. My last name begins with ‘I’.
5. I am an American creation.
6. Yes, even though fictional, I would be alive as of 2012. Clarifying: (& Huge Hint)I don’t have a generally known single creator, so **etv78** ’s question can’t be answered.
7. Not involved in politics.
8. Not a character from literature.
9. I do not appear in a single work of fiction (Clarifying& Huge Hint 2 - although my appearances can be said to form a connected series, although many people would not call those appearances ‘fiction’.)
10. My citizenship is never specifically mentioned, but my appearances were in the USA, so it is implied (by me anyway) that I am a US citizen.
11. Not really associated with the East Coast, or with any specific section of the country.(Huge Hint 3 - this lack of specificity to my location is specifically designed by my creators to be part of the character’s gestalt.) (I hope I used gestalt correctly…)

I’m heading out of town this afternoon, so it may be Sunday evening before I get back.

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**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\
**Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2012/624406/285 "2012-06-22T15:15:57Z")

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> [@Enginerd](#):
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> IQ2: Did your trading career end with a prison sentence and a $100 million fine?

Ivan Boesky.

DQ: Are you a supernatural character?

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**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\
**Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2012/624406/286 "2012-06-22T16:11:23Z")

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> [@Wargamer](#):
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> 3 DQs. Although I bet I’m going to smack myself over the head about the _Titanic_ couple.

The Disney collaborator was Ub Iwerks. The _Titanic_ couple were Isidore and Ida Straus.

DQ: Are you known for your work in science?  
DQ: Hero or villain?

I’ll reserve my last DQ for now.

> [@](#):
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> I’m heading out of town this afternoon, so it may be Sunday evening before I get back.

Okay, we’d better get this one soon, then! 🙂

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**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\
**Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2012/624406/287 "2012-06-22T16:39:18Z")

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IQ1: Did you play Sue Snell in the 1976 movie _Carrie_?

IQ2: Are you a gossipy recurring character on the TV show _Glee_?

IQ3: Did you write the theme song for the cat who won’t cop out when there’s danger all about?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2012/624406/288 "2012-06-22T19:03:36Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> …IQs
> 
> Were you a noted comic actress?  
> During the American Revolution and its aftermath, was your brother a much-better-known man than you were?  
> Did you recently speak at Oberlin College and bask in the students’ adulation?

Not who I was thinking of, so I’ll rephrase: Were you a noted comic actress on Fifties TV?  
Ira Allen, brother of Ethan.  
Ira Glass, host of NPR’s _This American Life_.

DQs:

Are you best known as a TV character?  
Were you created since 1970?

And two more IQs:

Do you appear on a show-within-a-show on Sunday nights?  
Did your character smoke a cigar and tempt a captain?

> [@Spoons](#):
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> …The _Titanic_ couple were Isidore and Ida Straus…

Nitpick: Isidor (no “e”) and Ida Strauss (second “s”).

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**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\
**Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2012/624406/289 "2012-06-22T19:05:38Z")

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> [@etv78](#):
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> Does #6 imply your creator is alive?

Miss this? (can’t think of IQ to get same info)

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**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\
**Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2012/624406/290 "2012-06-22T19:15:14Z")

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> [@Wargamer](#):
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> 1. Yes, even though fictional, I would be alive as of 2012. Clarifying: (& Huge Hint)I don’t have a generally known single creator, so **etv78** ’s question can’t be answered.

Nope - here’s your answer.

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**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\
**Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2012/624406/291 "2012-06-22T19:36:05Z")

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Very helpful **Enginerd**! I missed THAT. 😃

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**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\
**Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2012/624406/292 "2012-06-24T17:56:01Z")

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> [@Enginerd](#):
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> Ivan Boesky.
> 
> DQ: Are you a supernatural character?

I’m back!  
DQ Summary

1. I am a man.
2. I am a fictional character.
3. I am not known for any contribution to The Arts.
4. My last name begins with ‘I’.
5. I am an American creation.
6. Yes, even though fictional, I would be alive as of 2012. Clarifying: (& Huge Hint)I don’t have a generally known single creator, so etv78’s question can’t be answered.
7. Not involved in politics.
8. Not a character from literature.
9. I do not appear in a single work of fiction (Clarifying& Huge Hint 2 - although my appearances can be said to form a connected series, although many people would not call those appearances ‘fiction’.)
10. My citizenship is never specifically mentioned, but my appearances were in the USA, so it is implied (by me anyway) that I am a US citizen.
11. Not really associated with the East Coast, or with any specific section of the country.(Huge Hint 3 - this lack of specificity to my location is specifically designed by my creators to be part of the character’s gestalt.) (I hope I used gestalt correctly…)
12. I am not a supernatural character.
13. I’m not known for science.
14. I’m a hero!!! (Disclaimer: This statement is a lie.)
15. I appeared on commercial primetime television, although not in any sort of regularly scheduled shows.
16. I have been created since 1970.

> [@Spoons](#):
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> IQ1: Did you play Sue Snell in the 1976 movie Carrie?
> 
> IQ2: Are you a gossipy recurring character on the TV show Glee?
> 
> IQ3: Did you write the theme song for the cat who won’t cop out when there’s danger all about?

Hmm, 3 DQs.

> [@Elendil's Heir](#):
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> Not who I was thinking of, so I’ll rephrase: Were you a noted comic actress on Fifties TV?
> 
> Do you appear on a show-within-a-show on Sunday nights?  
> Did your character smoke a cigar and tempt a captain?

OK, I’m not Imogene Coca either.

2 DQs for the other two questions.

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**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\
**Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2012/624406/293 "2012-06-24T18:41:24Z")

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> [@Spoons](#):
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> IQ1: Did you play Sue Snell in the 1976 movie _Carrie_?
> 
> IQ2: Are you a gossipy recurring character on the TV show _Glee_?
> 
> IQ3: Did you write the theme song for the cat who won’t cop out when there’s danger all about?

> [@Wargamer](#):
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> Hmm, 3 DQs.

IQ1 was looking for Amy Irving, and IQ2 was looking for Jacob Ben Israel. As for IQ3, it was Isaac Hayes, who wrote the “Theme from Shaft.”

I’ll hang on to those DQs for a little while.

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**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\
**Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2012/624406/294 "2012-06-24T19:49:04Z")

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> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#):
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> IQ1: Are you the most famous character Mandy Patinkin has ever played?
> 
> IQ2: Are you a handsome, blonde Russian spy?
> 
> IQ3: Did you compose three ballets for impressario Sergei Diagalev’s ‘Ballet Russe’ in the early 20th century?

> [@Wargamer](#):
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> 1. Not Inigo Montoya.
> 
> 2. DQ
> 
> 3. I’m not Isadora Duncan? Otherwise a DQ.

1. **Inigo Montoya** , indeed.

2. David McCallum’s character from The Man from U.N.C.L.E. was a Russian spy named **Ilya Kuryakin** , who was teamed up with Robert Vaughn’s Napoleon Solo.

3. I’m afraid Isadora Duncan, while being a huge influence on Diagalev’s ‘Ballet Russes’, was never a composer. I was after **Igor Stravinsky** , whose ballets ‘Petrushka’, ‘The Firebird’ and ‘The Rite of Spring’ were all composed specifically for Diagalev’s company.

I’ll save one of those DQs for now. However, I would like to know -

DQ - Are you a character who originally appeared in comics?

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**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\
**Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2012/624406/295 "2012-06-24T20:38:36Z")

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DQ Summary

1. I am a man.
2. I am a fictional character.
3. I am not known for any contribution to The Arts.
4. My last name begins with ‘I’.
5. I am an American creation.
6. Yes, even though fictional, I would be alive as of 2012. Clarifying: (& Huge Hint)I don’t have a generally known single creator, so etv78’s question can’t be answered.
7. Not involved in politics.
8. Not a character from literature.
9. I do not appear in a single work of fiction (Clarifying& Huge Hint 2 - although my appearances can be said to form a connected series, although many people would not call those appearances ‘fiction’.)
10. My citizenship is never specifically mentioned, but my appearances were in the USA, so it is implied (by me anyway) that I am a US citizen.
11. Not really associated with the East Coast, or with any specific section of the country.(Huge Hint 3 - this lack of specificity to my location is specifically designed by my creators to be part of the character’s gestalt.) (I hope I used gestalt correctly…)
12. I am not a supernatural character.
13. I’m not known for science.
14. I’m a hero!!! (Disclaimer: This statement is a lie.)
15. I appeared on commercial primetime television, although not in any sort of regularly scheduled shows.
16. I have been created since 1970.
17. I originally appeared on television.

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**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\
**Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2012/624406/296 "2012-06-24T22:29:41Z")

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IQ: Are you a pitchman for a certain Japanese car manufacturer, whose last name is the same as the manufacturer’s?

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**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\
**Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2012/624406/297 "2012-06-24T22:47:46Z")

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> [@Spoons](#):
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> IQ: Are you a pitchman for a certain Japanese car manufacturer, whose last name is the same as the manufacturer’s?

**I am not Joe Isuzu.**  
_He’s lying, he IS Joe Isuzu._  
Congratulations Spoons!

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**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\
**Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2012/624406/298 "2012-06-25T01:09:22Z")

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Woo-hoo! Thanks, **Wargamer** –that was a fun one!

Give me a little time to think of the next one, and we’ll be off again.

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**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\
**Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2012/624406/299 "2012-06-25T01:16:58Z")

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I was worried it might be too obscure, since he was a commercial pitchman, so I did try to be a little more forthcoming in answering the DQs. I’m glad you enjoyed it, I thought it might be an interesting character to put forth.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2012/624406/300 "2012-06-25T01:17:37Z")

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Way to go, **Spoons**!

> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Not who I was thinking of, so I’ll rephrase: Were you a noted comic actress on Fifties TV?..  
> Do you appear on a show-within-a-show on Sunday nights?  
> Did your character smoke a cigar and tempt a captain?

Yes, Imogene Coca.  
Itchy, from _The Itchy & Scratchy Show_ on _The Simpsons_.  
Actress/model Iman played an alien shapeshifter who flirted with Kirk in _Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country._

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