# Botticelli, March 2012. Game 2: Z **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [March 21, 2012, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2012-game-2-z/616440 "2012-03-21T20:41:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2012-game-2-z/616440/21 "2012-03-23T16:38:25Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > DQs: > > European? > Best known for your appearance in the film? Already been asked - so you still have a DQ No > [@](#): > > IQs: > > Were you a man who changed depending on who he found himself with? > Did you have a black female assistant for your greatest achievement? > Did you fall in love with the daughter of your mentor’s enemy? Not Zelig from the Woody Allen movie of the same name. Take 2 more DQs for the other 2 Summary Z 1. Not real 2. Male 3. Last name does not begin with Z 4. Could be alive today had I not died in my story 5. Not American 6. Appeared in a non-fiction film 7. Not a villain 8. Not European 9. Not best known for my appearance in the film. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2012-game-2-z/616440/22 "2012-03-23T16:38:34Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > … > DQs: > > European?.. Withdrawn, since **Le Ministre** had already asked that. Instead: IQ: Asian? ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2012-game-2-z/616440/23 "2012-03-23T17:37:13Z")
> [@glee](#): > > IQ1: Does your job require you to wear a suit, be discreet and carry sunglasses? > > IQ2: Did your invention takeoff, but then crash and burn? > > IQ3: Didi you lose to Steinitz in the first World Championship match? > [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#): > > IQ1: Not Agent Zed from the Men in Black movies. > Take DQs for the other 2. The **Zeppelin** (named after the inventor) was going well as air transport until the Hindenberg disaster. **Zukertort** lost to Steinitz (after establishing an early lead…) DQ1: Were you best known from a novel? DQ2: Are you human? > [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#): > > To the best of my knowledge, my character’s story has never been adapted into a stand-alone fictional narrative film. However, my character has appeared in a documentary, so I felt it would be inaccurate to say “no” and misleading to simply say “yes” Is this like a documentary on **Jack the Ripper** (real serial killer), where **Sherlock Holmes** is mentioned? ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2012-game-2-z/616440/24 "2012-03-23T18:14:29Z")
IQ1: Did you co-found a world famous Jazz band with Wayne Shorter? IQ2: Are you Buzz Lightyear’s arch-nemesis? IQ3: Did you possess Dana, much to Venkman’s dismay? ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2012-game-2-z/616440/25 "2012-03-23T18:47:15Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > IQ1: Are you a character in a Scott McCloud comic book? > > IQ2: Are you a character once played by Bobcat Goldthwait? > > IQ3: Are you a character once played by Harvey Lembeck? > [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#): > > 3 DQs for you. Scott McCloud is a comic artist and writer who created the character “Zot,” and gave him his own title for a number of issues. Nowadays, McCloud is better known for his non-fiction works on the creation of comics. Bobcat Goldthwait played the character Zed in _Police Academy 2_ and _Police Academy 3_. Harvey Lembeck played motorcycle gang leader Eric Von Zipper in a number of 1960s beach party movies. DQs: African? At death, over age 40? Is the “Z” name a nickname? Back in a bit with more IQs… ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2012-game-2-z/616440/26 "2012-03-23T20:49:13Z")
> [@glee](#): > > DQ1: Were you best known from a novel? > > DQ2: Are you human? No No > [@](#): > > Is this like a documentary on **Jack the Ripper** (real serial killer), where **Sherlock Holmes** is mentioned? No, not like that. > [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > IQ1: Did you co-found a world famous Jazz band with Wayne Shorter? > > IQ2: Are you Buzz Lightyear’s arch-nemesis? > > IQ3: Did you possess Dana, much to Venkman’s dismay? Not Emperor Zurg Not Zuul from _Ghostbusters_ I’m also not one of the 5000 or so former members of Weather Report, but I can’t name a ‘Z’ one off the top of my head, so take a DQ. > [@Spoons](#): > > DQs: > > African? > At death, over age 40? > Is the “Z” name a nickname? no no no Summary Z 1. Not real 2. Male 3. Last name does not begin with Z 4. Could be alive today had I not died in my story 5. Not American 6. Appeared in a non-fiction film 7. Not a villain 8. Not European 9. Not best known for my appearance in the film. 10. Not best known from a novel. 11. Not human. 12. Not African 13. Under 40 at time of death 14. “Z” name is not a nickname. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2012-game-2-z/616440/27 "2012-03-23T21:23:18Z")
> [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#): > > Not Emperor Zurg > Not Zuul from _Ghostbusters_ > I’m also not one of the 5000 or so former members of Weather Report, but I can’t name a ‘Z’ one off the top of my head, so take a DQ. Quite right on Zurg and Zul. Weather Report is indeed correct, but I’m afraid you’ve forgotten the last name of Viennese pianist/keyboardist **Joe Zawinul** , who, along with Wayne Shorter is one of the constant members. (Or at least, he’s on every album I’ve heard - no idea what has gone on since the Joe Zawinul Syndicate and the Weather Report reunions…) So… DQ: Would you be described as an android/robot? ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2012, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2012-game-2-z/616440/28 "2012-03-24T00:15:34Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > DQ: Would you be described as an android/robot? No Summary Z 1. Not real 2. Male 3. Last name does not begin with Z 4. Could be alive today had I not died in my story 5. Not American 6. Appeared in a non-fiction film 7. Not a villain 8. Not European 9. Not best known for my appearance in the film. 10. Not best known from a novel. 11. Not human. 12. Not African 13. Under 40 at time of death 14. “Z” name is not a nickname. 15. Not a robot or android ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2012, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2012-game-2-z/616440/29 "2012-03-24T01:10:03Z")
IQ1: Were you the father of James and John? IQ2: Are you the title character of a recent book by Dave Eggers? IQ3: Did you demonstrate why the world’s fastest runner isn’t as fast as we think? ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2012, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2012-game-2-z/616440/30 "2012-03-24T01:54:50Z")
I’ll jump in with a few questions here. IQ1: Were you once grabbed by the head and thrown to the ground on national TV? IQ2: Are you an ancient philosopher famous for paradoxes? IQ3: Did you take up professional boxing when recently unemployed due to labor strife? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2012, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2012-game-2-z/616440/31 "2012-03-24T04:01:17Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Were you a man who changed depending on who he found himself with? > Did you have a black female assistant for your greatest achievement? > Did you fall in love with the daughter of your mentor’s enemy? Correct as to Zelig. Zefram Cochrane in _Star Trek: First Contact_ was assisted by Lily, played by Alfre Woodard. The hero fell in love with Catherine Zeta-Jones’s character in the movie _Zorro_. > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Withdrawn, since **Le Ministre** had already asked that. Instead: > > DQ [mislabeled IQ before]: > > Asian? Waiting for an answer to this. I’ll reserve my other two DQs for now. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2012, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2012-game-2-z/616440/32 "2012-03-24T08:41:54Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > IQ1: Were you the father of James and John? > > IQ2: Are you the title character of a recent book by Dave Eggers? > > IQ3: Did you demonstrate why the world’s fastest runner isn’t as fast as we think? IQ1: Not Zebedee Take DQs for the other 2. > [@Enginerd](#): > > I’ll jump in with a few questions here. > > IQ1: Were you once grabbed by the head and thrown to the ground on national TV? > > IQ2: Are you an ancient philosopher famous for paradoxes? > > IQ3: Did you take up professional boxing when recently unemployed due to labor strife? IQ2: Not Zoroaster? I’m guessing here. Take DQs for the other 2. > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Asian? > > Waiting for an answer to this. I’ll reserve my other two DQs for now. Thanks! Oops, sorry. I missed that one. No Summary Z 1. Not real 2. Male 3. Last name does not begin with Z 4. Could be alive today had I not died in my story 5. Not American 6. Appeared in a non-fiction film 7. Not a villain 8. Not European 9. Not best known for my appearance in the film. 10. Not best known from a novel. 11. Not human. 12. Not African 13. Under 40 at time of death 14. “Z” name is not a nickname. 15. Not a robot or android 16. Not Asian ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2012, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2012-game-2-z/616440/33 "2012-03-24T09:18:03Z")
IQ: Are you dead, baby? IQ: Did you play guitar? ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2012, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2012-game-2-z/616440/34 "2012-03-24T17:54:01Z")
> [@Enginerd](#): > > I’ll jump in with a few questions here. > > IQ1: Were you once grabbed by the head and thrown to the ground on national TV? > > IQ2: Are you an ancient philosopher famous for paradoxes? > > IQ3: Did you take up professional boxing when recently unemployed due to labor strife? IQ1: [Don Zimmer](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H3lWEF0ScA) IQ2: [Zeno of Elea](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno_of_Elea) IQ3: [Tom Zbikowski](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Zbikowski) DQ1: Are you an animal? I’ll wait on the two other DQs - I think there are enough pending to get us to 20 already. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2012, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2012-game-2-z/616440/35 "2012-03-24T22:45:33Z")
Well, I’ve got two DQs, and don’t know what to ask. Anyone who’d like to ask 'em, help yourself. ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2012, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2012-game-2-z/616440/36 "2012-03-24T22:57:48Z")
> [@Johnny\_Q](#): > > IQ: Are you dead, baby? > > IQ: Did you play guitar? Not Zed from _Pulp Fiction_ But… Yes, I am Ziggy Stardust, the title character of David Bowie’s concept album _The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars_. Bowie had planned a stage production to flesh out the story (human civilization has only 5 years left (“Five Years”), alien comes to Earth (“Star Man”) and becomes a rock star to spread a message of hope (“Star”), pisses off his bandmates (“Ziggy Stardust”), succumbs to rock and roll excess and dies (“Rock and Roll Suicide”) but as far as I know it was never produced. Other Bowie songs such as “All The Young Dudes” and “Rebel Rebel” were originally written for the production. The non-fiction film referenced in my DQ answers was the concert film _Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars_ which records a concert, not a stage production, where Bowie performed the entire concert in character. Your turn, Johnny Q ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2012, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2012-game-2-z/616440/37 "2012-03-24T23:36:51Z")
Well done, **Johnny**! This was fun, and quite challenging–glad you all encouraged me to join in. Looking forward to playing again! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2012, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2012-game-2-z/616440/38 "2012-03-25T00:14:03Z")
OK, the Magic Letter is **G** Do I just tack it on here or should I start a new thread? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2012, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2012-game-2-z/616440/39 "2012-03-25T03:43:50Z")
We can do it here. Congrats, **JQ**! IQs: Were you wont to draw whips in your private diary? Were you White House counsel in 1989? Were you the only governor of your state to be recalled in the past 50 years? ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2012, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2012-game-2-z/616440/40 "2012-03-25T04:30:41Z")
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