# Botticelli - March 2013 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [March 1, 2013, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2013/651774 "2013-03-01T22:59:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2013/651774/221 "2013-03-22T02:59:27Z")
DQs: 1. Real 2. Not American 3. Male 4. Dead 5. European 6. British citizen at some point in his life 7. First name starts with L 8. Not famous for political or military roles 9. Not famous for accomplishments related to the arts 10. Born before 1950 11. Not known as an athlete 12. Not a scientist 13. Died after 1950 14. Born before 1900 15. Citizen of another European country before becoming a citizen of the UK. 16. Not a businessman or tycoon 17. Well-regarded, but not necessarily well-known, during his lifetime. His primary claim to fame is posthumous.\* 18. Does not hold hereditary title 19. Died before 2000 20. There was nothing discovered after his death that made him more famous\* 21. Died of natural causes 22. Not French \*Addendum to DQs 17/20: He was well known within his field during his lifetime. After he died, his influence expanded greatly not with a discovery, but with the publicization of his work. Reply With Quote ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2013/651774/222 "2013-03-22T03:09:09Z")
It looks like I might have gotten a little too ambitious on the choice. If there are no objections, I’ll call this round on Saturday at noon Eastern time. I’m happy to answer DQs/guesses until then. I’ll go ahead and say that he’s an academic in a field that’s neither science nor within our standard definition of the arts. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2013/651774/223 "2013-03-22T19:14:40Z")
Suits me. I’ve wracked my brains and come up empty. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2013/651774/224 "2013-03-22T20:11:41Z")
No clue here. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2013/651774/225 "2013-03-22T22:04:32Z")
Stumped. Historian, maybe? I dunno - you got me. ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2013/651774/226 "2013-03-23T21:43:11Z")
“Historian” was my best guess, too. Is it Saturday noon yet? ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2013, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2013/651774/227 "2013-03-23T23:24:46Z")
Sorry for the delay (and for the poor choice). This was arguably the most influential philosopher of the 20th century [Ludwig Wittgenstein](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Wittgenstein). ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2013, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2013/651774/228 "2013-03-23T23:31:16Z")
We can move on to M whenever you’re ready - I promise this one will be easier! ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2013, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2013/651774/229 "2013-03-24T00:33:09Z")
I can honestly say that I never would have thought of Ludwig Wittgenstein. Not a bad choice though–you certainly stumped everybody! So we’re on to M? IQ1: Are you the classmate and nemesis of the boy who lived? IQ2: Originally from England, do you live in America with your employer and his father? IQ3: In the midst of the roaring silence, were you blinded by the light? ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2013, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2013/651774/230 "2013-03-24T02:17:33Z")
IQ1: Are you a European prince who became an American emperor? IQ2: Did John Wayne and David Janssen star in a movie based on your book? IQ3: Are you an elderly spinster who is an amateur detective? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2013, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2013/651774/231 "2013-03-24T03:07:53Z")
I’ve heard of Wittgenstein but knew nothing about his life. Good one, **Enginerd**! M it is. IQs: Were you James Bond’s original literary boss (first or last name, not initial)? Did Kate Winslet recently play you? You were a skilled engineer; did your daughter have the same first initial as you? ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2013, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2013/651774/232 "2013-03-24T13:32:27Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > IQ1: Are you the classmate and nemesis of the boy who lived? > IQ2: Originally from England, do you live in America with your employer and his father? > IQ3: In the midst of the roaring silence, were you blinded by the light? I’m not Draco Malfoy, Daphne Moon, or Manfred Mann. > [@SCAdian](#): > > IQ1: Are you a European prince who became an American emperor? > IQ2: Did John Wayne and David Janssen star in a movie based on your book? > IQ3: Are you an elderly spinster who is an amateur detective? I’m not Larry McMurtry or Miss Marple. Take a DQ (2 if McMurtry’s wrong - that’s a guess). > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Were you James Bond’s original literary boss (first or last name, not initial)? > Did Kate Winslet recently play you? > You were a skilled engineer; did your daughter have the same first initial as you? No ideas here - take 3 DQs. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2013, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2013/651774/233 "2013-03-24T18:41:53Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > IQs: > > Were you James Bond’s original literary boss (first or last name, not initial)? > Did Kate Winslet recently play you? > You were a skilled engineer; did your daughter have the same first initial as you? Admiral Sir Miles Messervy (codenamed “M”). Mildred Pierce, in an HBO movie remake. Miles O’Brien on ST:TNG and DS9, and his daughter Molly. DQs: Real? Male? Last name start with M? IQs: Did you write about an albino with a sword called Stormbringer? Are you perhaps best known for your unusual headgear? Did the same actor play you, a U.S. Army officer and a British war criminal? ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2013, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2013/651774/234 "2013-03-24T19:30:26Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Did you write about an albino with a sword called Stormbringer? > Are you perhaps best known for your unusual headgear? > Did the same actor play you, a U.S. Army officer and a British war criminal? Not Carmen Miranda or Lucius Malfoy (a guess - he was played by the same guy who played the war criminal colonel in the Patriot, right? Has he played an American officer too?). Take a DQ or two. DQs: 1. Real. 2. Female. 3. First name starts with M. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2013, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2013/651774/235 "2013-03-24T20:17:06Z")
IQ: Did you lose your head in the Reign of Terror? ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2013, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2013/651774/236 "2013-03-24T21:21:13Z")
> [@Enginerd](#): > > I’m not Draco Malfoy, Daphne Moon, or Manfred Mann. Correct on all. IQ1: Are you one half of Garfunkel and Oates? IQ2: Were you one of Otter’s love interests in _Animal House_? IQ3: Were you another of Otter’s love interests in _Animal House_? ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2013, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2013/651774/237 "2013-03-24T21:34:46Z")
Well done, **Enginerd**! (Where do philosophers fit, anyway? Science or art? Hmmm.) IQ1: Are you a jazz musician whose piano ‘didn’t have any wrong notes’? IQ2: Are you a jazz musician who was at least as famous for his temper as for his bass lines? IQ3: Come to that, are you a different jazz musician who frequently lost his cool, even though he invented ‘cool’? ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2013, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2013/651774/238 "2013-03-24T21:42:50Z")
I’ve at least heard of Wittgenstein - unlike a couple of our recent subjects - but I think we would have gotten to the “DQ: Is the seventh letter of your surname ‘N’?” stage before I would have thought of him… > [@SCAdian](#): > > IQ1: Are you a European prince who became an American emperor? > IQ2: Did John Wayne and David Janssen star in a movie based on your book? > IQ3: Are you an elderly spinster who is an amateur detective? > [@Enginerd](#): > > I’m not Larry McMurtry or Miss Marple. Take a DQ (2 if McMurtry’s wrong - that’s a guess). Emperor Maximilian of Mexico (he was a Hapsburg prince). Robin Moore, who wrote _The Green Berets_. Correct on Miss Marple. DQ1: Living? DQ2: American? IQ1: Have you tried to blow up the earth several times, to improve the view? IQ2: Was your code name “Eric”? IQ3: Was your code name “Agent 86”? ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2013/651774/239 "2013-03-25T00:24:02Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > IQ: Did you lose your head in the Reign of Terror? Not Marie Antoinette. > [@Spoons](#): > > IQ1: Are you one half of Garfunkel and Oates? > IQ2: Were you one of Otter’s love interests in _Animal House_? > IQ3: Were you another of Otter’s love interests in _Animal House_? Not Kate Micucci or Mandy Peppridge. Also not the girl whose… ahem… vocalizations Boone recognized (“you’re gonna pork [augh! can’t remember!]”) - you get a double-secret DQ. > [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > IQ1: Are you a jazz musician whose piano ‘didn’t have any wrong notes’? > IQ2: Are you a jazz musician who was at least as famous for his temper as for his bass lines? > IQ3: Come to that, are you a different jazz musician who frequently lost his cool, even though he invented ‘cool’? Not Thelonious Monk or Miles Davis. Take a deep, angry DQ for #2. > [@SCAdian](#): > > IQ1: Have you tried to blow up the earth several times, to improve the view? > IQ2: Was your code name “Eric”? > IQ3: Was your code name “Agent 86”? I’m not Marvin the Martian or Maxwell Smart. Eric gets a DQ. DQs: 1. Real. 2. Female. 3. First name starts with M. 4. Living. 5. Not American. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2013/651774/240 "2013-03-25T00:28:14Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > Well done, **Enginerd**! (Where do philosophers fit, anyway? Science or art? Hmmm.) Somewhere in between, huh? Clearly not the arts, based on our typical criteria. I wavered on science because of his emphasis on logic, but it’s not the kind of “-ology” that would normally fall into that category. Universities most often put it in liberal arts or “arts and sciences,” so that’s no help. Those in-between categories are tough to both guess and answer. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2013/651774.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2013/651774.md?page=13)