# Botticelli - March 2018 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [March 2, 2018, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2018/809880 "2018-03-02T12:39:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2018/809880/221 "2018-03-20T17:23:20Z")
S. 1. real 2. not American 3. male 4. alive 5. not born after 1960 6. European 7. not British or Irish 8. last name starts with S 9. not known for the Arts 10. native speaker of a Romance language 11. not known for politics or military 12. French or Italian 13. not primarily known for a business or service 14. Italian 15. not known from sports 16. known primarily for a single event 17. not a religious figure 18. known, in a way, for criminal activity 19. not known for writing 20. not in the legal profession ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2018/809880/222 "2018-03-21T16:27:05Z")
DQ: Was the criminal activity white collar in nature? holding a DQ ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2018/809880/223 "2018-03-21T17:53:06Z")
S. 1. real 2. not American 3. male 4. alive 5. not born after 1960 6. European 7. not British or Irish 8. last name starts with S 9. not known for the Arts 10. native speaker of a Romance language 11. not known for politics or military 12. French or Italian 13. not primarily known for a business or service 14. Italian 15. not known from sports 16. known primarily for a single event 17. not a religious figure 18. known, in a way, for criminal activity 19. not known for writing 20. not in the legal profession 21. criminal activity not white-collar in nature ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2018/809880/224 "2018-03-21T19:16:09Z")
Crap, I just realised that being born before 1960 rules out the suspect in the Meredith Kercher case, even if I could remember his name. My last DQ: did the criminal activity (first) take place pre-2000? Depending on the answer, it may be worth someone else trying to narrow down when the criminal activity received wide publicity. I figure the longer ago it was, the more high-profile it must have been, or the converse. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2018/809880/225 "2018-03-21T19:34:03Z")
S. 1. real 2. not American 3. male 4. alive 5. not born after 1960 6. European 7. not British or Irish 8. last name starts with S 9. not known for the Arts 10. native speaker of a Romance language 11. not known for politics or military 12. French or Italian 13. not primarily known for a business or service 14. Italian 15. not known from sports 16. known primarily for a single event 17. not a religious figure 18. known, in a way, for criminal activity 19. not known for writing 20. not in the legal profession 21. criminal activity not white-collar in nature 22. criminal activity took place after 2000 ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2018/809880/226 "2018-03-21T19:55:57Z")
I don’t think I’m going to get this one, but I’ll do a quick summary of my thoughts in case it helps anyone else. So, we’re looking for a living Italian man, Signor S\_\_\_\_\_, who is 60+ years old (or nearly so), who is famous for a one-off event that occurred since 2000 in which criminal activity was involved, but he was not the perpetrator (this is a slight assumption on my part based on the phrasing of the answer to 18). However, he is not a lawyer, judge, or politician. In addition, it wasn’t a white-collar crime, so we can rule out those Italian favourites of bribery and corruption. Final thought - could it be the owner or curator of an artwork that was stolen? I can’t think of any major Italian art heists in the last 20 years, but then it’s not the sort of thing I’d necessarily have noticed. I’m out - good luck, guys! ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2018, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2018/809880/227 "2018-03-22T13:20:58Z")
DQ: Did the criminal activity result in injury or death? out of DQs ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2018, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2018/809880/228 "2018-03-22T13:29:56Z")
All I’m coming up with is the Mafia, and I don’t have a name in mind. Or, it could be the guy’s in law enforcement, and known that way. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2018, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2018/809880/229 "2018-03-22T15:45:39Z")
S. 1. real 2. not American 3. male 4. alive 5. not born after 1960 6. European 7. not British or Irish 8. last name starts with S 9. not known for the Arts 10. native speaker of a Romance language 11. not known for politics or military 12. French or Italian 13. not primarily known for a business or service 14. Italian 15. not known from sports 16. known primarily for a single event 17. not a religious figure 18. known, in a way, for criminal activity 19. not known for writing 20. not in the legal profession 21. criminal activity not white-collar in nature 22. criminal activity took place after 2000 23. criminal activity resulted in injury or death OK, tawk amongst yourselves. You may each ask an earned “Are you Firstname Lastname?” question by, let’s say, 7pm EST Sat. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2018, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2018/809880/230 "2018-03-22T17:57:05Z")
I like the law enforcement idea but I’m not coming up with anything. Cops don’t tend to become famous. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2018/809880/231 "2018-03-23T00:52:35Z")
Maybe a vigilante? I’m not coming up with anything yet either. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2018/809880/232 "2018-03-23T12:09:11Z")
I’m running into walls on this. The only Italian surname I can think of offhand is Sacco, of Sacco & Venzetti, but he was executed. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2018/809880/233 "2018-03-23T17:28:47Z")
Not a bad guess, but it’s not Sacco (the era isn’t right, either). ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2018/809880/234 "2018-03-23T18:38:12Z")
I have no guess at all. I’ll pass. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2018/809880/235 "2018-03-23T22:08:31Z")
Yeah, I’m stumped too. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2018/809880/236 "2018-03-25T03:32:35Z")
Right, then. I am Francesco Schettino The incompetent, and then cowardly, captain of the ill-fated cruise ship _Costa Concordia_, which he ran aground off the Italian coast in 2012, killing 32: [Francesco Schettino - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Schettino) ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2018/809880/237 "2018-03-25T13:44:33Z")
Following the link, that’s an interesting story, but I didn’t hear of it at the time, and don’t know him. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2018/809880/238 "2018-03-25T16:52:00Z")
First I’ve heard of him. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2018/809880/239 "2018-03-26T02:12:36Z")
Hmm. We even had several threads on him and the wreck: > **[Any chance they can get the grounded Italian ship back upright?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=638514)** > > Based on the photos, can they ever get this ship back upright? Maybe lots of tugboats? Its grounded on a sandbar and can’t sink. What would be the procedure for recovering the ship? I’m assuming they won’t wait a 100 years for it to rust away. > **[Seeking captain's conversation with Coast Guard in original Italian](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=638875)** > > I am finding lots of translations of the Italian captain’s conversation with the Coast Guard. I am having trouble googling the original Italian. Have any pointers for googling for a non-English site? > **[It's No Pit yet of the captain of the Concordia? Allow me](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=639113)** > > Jeez, what a scuzz ball. He runs the ship onto rocks while buzzing too close to an island to “salute” a pal on shore. He didn’t use the ship’s navigation system, he navigated by eye because he “knew the waters well.” A full half hour later, when... > **[Costa Concordia Shipwreck Trial: Five Guilty](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=697087)** > > A court in Italy has convicted five people of manslaughter over the Costa Concordia shipwreck off Giglio island which killed 32 people in January 2012. Two officers, the helmsman, the head of cabin service and the head of the crisis team were given... > **[Costa Concordia Salvage Question](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=702580)** > > If you’ve seen the photos/video of the salvage operation you’ve seen the bank of cables and pulleys on the port side of the ship. Anyone know to what these cables are anchored? What say you, **DC** and **MM**? ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2018/809880/240 "2018-03-26T06:14:49Z")
Ah, nice one - it was all over the news over here at the time, in particular that his name means “roller skate” in Italian, so I think it was definitely gettable for me, I just didn’t bring the incident to mind. Well played and go again, as far as I’m concerned - sorry, team! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2018/809880.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-march-2018/809880.md?page=13)