# Botticelli, May 2011 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [May 22, 2011, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2011/582753 "2011-05-22T04:09:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2011/582753/161 "2011-05-25T04:05:59Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > DQ: Are you white/Caucasian? > [@panamajack](#): > > Okay, I’ll try to specify the “common use” definition. If it’s something that only a few people in a field use, but still might be used by them, even if there are newer inventions, say “yes” (example: vacuum tube, a specific pigment of oil paint, aspirin)… Thanks. With that clarification: 1. Born after 100 BCE 2. Male 3. Not the leader/monarch of a nation or empire 4. American 5. Dead 6. Not celebrated for accomplishments in the arts (visual arts, music, literature, etc.) 7. Not born in the 20th century 8. Not famous in the fields of science or technology 9. Did not die between Jan. 1, 1800 and Jan. 1, 1900 10. Invented something, but not best known for that 11. Nonfictional 12. Born in the 19th century 13. Not known for wartime accomplishments 14. Not famous for sporting accomplishments 15. Not known for holding a government/political office 16. Not generally regarded as a villain/bad guy 17. Did not die between Jan. 1, 1900 and Jan. 1, 1950 18. Not famous for either journalism or medicine 19. Invented something that is still commonly used today 20. White/caucasian ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2011/582753/162 "2011-05-25T04:07:28Z")
> [@Sternvogel](#): > > IQ: Did you criticize a state of nature as nasty, poor, brutish, and short? No, I’m not Hobbes (neither the philosopher nor the tiger). ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2011/582753/163 "2011-05-25T04:10:54Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > IQ: Were you buried in your Village People biker gear? Dunno as to this, but that’s all the DQs available. Sorry, **Tom Scud** , you didn’t have the chance to ask a DQ after all. Shall I tell you all the answer now? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_jeffrey_lebowski/32/215_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2011/582753/164 "2011-05-25T05:08:55Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > David Huddleston played the BIG Jeffrey Lebowski. AKA the other Jeffrey Lebowski, the millionaire. IQ - did you once pitch a perfect game and a third? A rules question here - if it’s one initial, in this case “H”, should it be the initial for the last name only? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2011/582753/165 "2011-05-25T13:04:13Z")
You’d have to ask that as DQ. **Tom Scud** , I’ll let you do it, if you like. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2011/582753/166 "2011-05-25T14:06:32Z")
Oh, sure, given that you’re not Harry Houdini (who had a story ghost-written by Howard Phillip Lovecraft - woo, two-fer), is it your first or your last name (or both) that starts with H? ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2011/582753/167 "2011-05-25T16:20:03Z")
IQ: Is your real name Arnold Dorsey? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2011/582753/168 "2011-05-25T19:38:08Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Oh, sure, given that you’re not Harry Houdini (who had a story ghost-written by Howard Phillip Lovecraft - woo, two-fer), is it your first or your last name (or both) that starts with H? 1. Born after 100 BCE 2. Male 3. Not the leader/monarch of a nation or empire 4. American 5. Dead 6. Not celebrated for accomplishments in the arts (visual arts, music, literature, etc.) 7. Not born in the 20th century 8. Not famous in the fields of science or technology 9. Did not die between Jan. 1, 1800 and Jan. 1, 1900 10. Invented something, but not best known for that 11. Nonfictional 12. Born in the 19th century 13. Not known for wartime accomplishments 14. Not famous for sporting accomplishments 15. Not known for holding a government/political office 16. Not generally regarded as a villain/bad guy 17. Did not die between Jan. 1, 1900 and Jan. 1, 1950 18. Not famous for either journalism or medicine 19. Invented something that is still commonly used today 20. White/caucasian 21. First name starts with “H” Tell you what. I’ve won, but I’ll let everyone who has asked me a DQ thus far ask me an additional DQ as to a specific name that fits all the clues above. If, after 48 hours, no one’s successfully guessed who I’m thinking of, I’ll start the next round. And… go! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_jeffrey_lebowski/32/215_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2011/582753/169 "2011-05-25T20:03:19Z")
You didn’t address my question. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2011, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2011/582753/170 "2011-05-26T03:22:32Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](#): > > You didn’t address my question. Twenty DQs had been asked by then, the most I was obliged to answer, so there was no point in doing so. I let **Tom Scud** ask a 21st DQ because he’d earned one earlier and I’d said he could ask one before I realized the 20th had already been earned and asked (I always try to answer in order of being asked - first come, first served). Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2011, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2011/582753/171 "2011-05-26T16:31:26Z")
I got no clue. Giving only the first name initial makes it overly tough for only twenty DQs. Are you Howard Hawks? ---
**Author:** ![panamajack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/47e85d/32.png) [@panamajack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panamajack)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2011, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2011/582753/172 "2011-05-26T16:31:59Z")
My guess : Are you Admiral Hyman Rickover? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2011, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2011/582753/173 "2011-05-26T16:35:20Z")
My primary candidates were Harry Houdini and Henry Ford, and neither fits the whole set of questions. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2011, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2011/582753/174 "2011-05-26T16:47:16Z")
Reorganizing in case it helps anyone else (I’m still drawing a blank). 1. Male 2. American 3. Dead 4. White/caucasian 5. Nonfictional 6. Born in the 19th century 9, 17. Did not die between Jan. 1, 1800 and Jan. 1, 1950 7. Not celebrated for accomplishments in the arts (visual arts, music, literature, etc.) 8. Not famous in the fields of science or technology 9. Not the leader/monarch of a nation or empire 10. Not known for wartime accomplishments 11. Not famous for sporting accomplishments 12. Not known for holding a government/political office 13. Not generally regarded as a villain/bad guy 14. Not famous for either journalism or medicine 15. Invented something, but not best known for that 16. Invented something that is still commonly used today 17. First name starts with “H” With all those "not"s, I’d guess we’re talking about an industrialist or businessman, but I can’t think of anyone who fits. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_jeffrey_lebowski/32/215_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2011, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2011/582753/175 "2011-05-26T17:18:42Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Twenty DQs had been asked by then, the most I was obliged to answer, so there was no point in doing so. I let **Tom Scud** ask a 21st DQ because he’d earned one earlier and I’d said he could ask one before I realized the 20th had already been earned and asked (I always try to answer in order of being asked - first come, first served). Sorry. All good, my mistake. What about my rules question? Botticelli was a staple of family car rides when I was growing up, and we played last initial, so I’m wondering if in this version the initial can apply to either. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2011/582753/176 "2011-05-26T18:07:31Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](#): > > What about my rules question? … I’m wondering if in this version the initial can apply to either. Post #59: > [@Dead\_Cat](#): > > The OP has indirectly answered a query I had, which was are they allowed to answer IQs with people whose first names begin with the chosen letter. Post #168: > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > 1. First name starts with “H” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2011/582753/177 "2011-05-27T02:47:32Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > With all those "not"s, I’d guess we’re talking about an industrialist or businessman, but I can’t think of anyone who fits. I just thought of someone who died in 1967 (I didn’t realize he made it that far until I looked him up). Since I don’t have a DQ coming, I’ll put the name in a spoiler box: Henry J. Kaiser ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2011/582753/178 "2011-05-27T18:56:59Z")
> [@Wargamer](#): > > …I got no clue. Giving only the first name initial makes it overly tough for only twenty DQs. > > Are you Howard Hawks? I was asked about people with the first initial H almost from the outset. No, I’m not Howard Hawks. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2011/582753/179 "2011-05-27T18:58:11Z")
> [@panamajack](#): > > My guess : Are you Admiral Hyman Rickover? I was already asked about him, wasn’t I? No, I’m not Adm. Rickover. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2011/582753/180 "2011-05-27T18:59:13Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > My primary candidates were Harry Houdini and Henry Ford, and neither fits the whole set of questions. I was already asked about both, and it’s neither of them anyway. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2011/582753.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2011/582753.md?page=10)