# Botticelli, May 2012 - Wargamer, chooser; initial D

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**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [May 1, 2012, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2012-wargamer-chooser-initial-d/620470 "2012-05-01T01:18:06Z")\
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**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2012-wargamer-chooser-initial-d/620470/21 "2012-05-02T14:15:34Z")

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IQ1: Are you James MacArthur’s best known role?

IQ2: Are you the writer of ‘The Commitments’, among many other books?

IQ3: Did you play the president’s assistant on ‘The West Wing’?

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**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2012-wargamer-chooser-initial-d/620470/22 "2012-05-02T15:43:08Z")

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> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#):
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> IQ1: Are you James MacArthur’s best known role?
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> IQ2: Are you the writer of ‘The Commitments’, among many other books?
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> IQ3: Did you play the president’s assistant on ‘The West Wing’?

I feel I should know a couple of these, but I don’t. So three DQs for you, sir!

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**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2012-wargamer-chooser-initial-d/620470/23 "2012-05-02T16:01:52Z")

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> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#):
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> IQ1: Are you James MacArthur’s best known role?
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> IQ2: Are you the writer of ‘The Commitments’, among many other books?
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> IQ3: Did you play the president’s assistant on ‘The West Wing’?

> [@Wargamer](#):
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> I feel I should know a couple of these, but I don’t. So three DQs for you, sir!

1. You were distracted by the hula dancer in the opening credits, I feel sure. James MacArthur played **Danny Williams** on Hawaii Five-O - each episode ended with Jack Lord as Steve McGarrett saying 'Book ‘em, **Danno** ’.

2. **Roddy Doyle** , author of ‘The Commitments’, ‘The Snapper’, ‘The Van’, ‘Paddy Clarke, Ha, Ha, Ha’ as well as the children’s books collected as ‘The Rover Adventures’.

3. \*\*Dulé Hill \*\* played the role of Charlie Young on The West Wing from 1999 until 2006.

So -

DQ1 - Were you born between 1800 and 1900?

DQ2 - Are you a military figure?

I’ll save my last DQ for a little later, if I may.

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**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2012-wargamer-chooser-initial-d/620470/24 "2012-05-02T16:07:54Z")

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DQ Answer Summary

DQ Summary

1. Male
2. Not fictional.
3. Not French.
4. Dead.
5. I am an American.
6. I am not noted for participation in The Arts.
7. I am not a political figure.
8. I was not born in 1900 or later.
9. I was not born north of the mason-Dixon line.
10. My last name starts with the letter D.
11. I was born between 1800 and 1900.
12. I am probably best known as a military figure, although I gained initial prominence in another field of endeavor.

DQs Outstanding

Chock/Goodness - 1  
Elendil’s Heir - 3  
Le Ministre - 1

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2012-wargamer-chooser-initial-d/620470/25 "2012-05-02T17:16:12Z")

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> [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#):
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> IQ2: My wording was a little vague, so I’ll rephrase. Were you hired to be the second guitarist for an existing famous rock band and did you end up being considered the leader of the band after the departures of the original leader and his eventual successor?

> [@Wargamer](#):
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> IQ2: Then, I have no idea, take a DQ.

You are not David Gilmour of Pink Floyd fame, who took over the band after the departure of Roger Waters, who had in turn taken over after Syd Barrett left.

DQ: Did your military career include involvement in the US Civil War?

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**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2012-wargamer-chooser-initial-d/620470/26 "2012-05-02T18:19:02Z")

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DQ Answer Summary

DQ Summary

1. Male
2. Not fictional.
3. Not French.
4. Dead.
5. I am an American.
6. I am not noted for participation in The Arts.
7. I am not a political figure.
8. I was not born in 1900 or later.
9. I was not born north of the mason-Dixon line.
10. My last name starts with the letter D.
11. I was born between 1800 and 1900.
12. I am probably best known as a military figure, although I gained initial prominence in another field of endeavor.
13. My military career did not include service in the Civil War.  
DQs Outstanding

Elendil’s Heir - 3  
Le Ministre - 1

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**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2012-wargamer-chooser-initial-d/620470/27 "2012-05-02T18:36:19Z")

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Did you sail into Manilia Bay

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**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2012-wargamer-chooser-initial-d/620470/28 "2012-05-02T18:45:27Z")

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> [@etv78](#):
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> Did you sail into Manilia Bay

No, I am not Admiral Dewey.

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**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\
**Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2012-wargamer-chooser-initial-d/620470/29 "2012-05-03T14:18:22Z")

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DQ: Did your military career include service in World War I?

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**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\
**Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2012-wargamer-chooser-initial-d/620470/30 "2012-05-03T15:09:30Z")

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DQ Answer Summary

DQ Summary

1. Male
2. Not fictional.
3. Not French.
4. Dead.
5. I am an American.
6. I am not noted for participation in The Arts.
7. I am not a political figure.
8. I was not born in 1900 or later.
9. I was not born north of the mason-Dixon line.
10. My last name starts with the letter D.
11. I was born between 1800 and 1900.
12. I am probably best known as a military figure, although I gained initial prominence in another field of endeavor.
13. My military career did not include service in the Civil War.
14. I was in the military during the period of 1914-18. (Clarifying - I saw no combat service during that period however.)

DQs Outstanding

Elendil’s Heir - 3

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**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\
**Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2012-wargamer-chooser-initial-d/620470/31 "2012-05-03T16:34:20Z")

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Side talk - Okay, American military history is not my specialty at all. What would a US military figure have been involved in between the US civil war and World War I? Spanish-American war? Boer War? It makes more sense to me that someone born before 1900 could have been wounded or decorated and gone on to be a General/Admiral for WWI… Ideas?

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2012-wargamer-chooser-initial-d/620470/32 "2012-05-03T22:15:48Z")

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IQ1: Is you daughter the queen of the underworld?  
IQ2: Are you the King of the Surf Guitar?  
IQ3: Do you wonder, wo-wo-wo-wo-wonder, why, why, why, why. why, why she ran away?

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2012-wargamer-chooser-initial-d/620470/33 "2012-05-03T22:25:03Z")

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> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#):
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> Side talk - Okay, American military history is not my specialty at all. What would a US military figure have been involved in between the US civil war and World War I? Spanish-American war? Boer War? It makes more sense to me that someone born before 1900 could have been wounded or decorated and gone on to be a General/Admiral for WWI… Ideas?

Spanish-American War is the biggie for that time period. Admiral Dewey has already been eliminated. There were also numerous Indian Wars in that time frame. It’s also possible that some one born in the 1890s could have been a nobody in WWI and rose to prominence in WWII or Korea. Also keep in mind the US was only involved in WWI for the last 18 months, so it isn’t like our mystery person avoided combat for 4 years.

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**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\
**Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2012-wargamer-chooser-initial-d/620470/34 "2012-05-03T22:49:53Z")

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> [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#):
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> IQ1: Is you daughter the queen of the underworld?  
> IQ2: Are you the King of the Surf Guitar?  
> IQ3: Do you wonder, wo-wo-wo-wo-wonder, why, why, why, why. why, why she ran away?

1. I am not Demeter, mother of Persephone. (I think it’s Demeter, right?)
2. I am not Dick Dale.
3. I am not Dion (?).

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2012-wargamer-chooser-initial-d/620470/35 "2012-05-04T00:45:09Z")

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> [@Wargamer](#):
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> 1. I am not Dion (?).

Right time frame, wrong singer. Del Shannon sang “Runaway” (although Dion sang “Runaround Sue”, so the confusion is understandable.

You are correct on Demeter.

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**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\
**Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2012-wargamer-chooser-initial-d/620470/36 "2012-05-05T19:10:30Z")

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Bump

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**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\
**Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2012-wargamer-chooser-initial-d/620470/37 "2012-05-07T05:43:09Z")

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Are you famous for leading a squadrom that bombed Japan?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2012-wargamer-chooser-initial-d/620470/38 "2012-05-07T13:19:51Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> …IQs:
> 
> Was your husband one of only three men to do something no one else ever did?  
> Do you almost invariably wear a hoodie when you’re not at work?  
> Did you conceal a picture of one of your many mistresses in a trick frame on your desk?

Dolley Madison’s husband James is one of only three Presidents to personally lead troops during his term of office - George Washington (Whiskey Rebellion, 1794) and Abraham Lincoln (Hampton Roads, 1862) were the other two.  
Dilbert almost always wears a hoodie off-duty.  
British Prime Minister David Lloyd George did this.

DQs:

Known as a businessman?  
Generally considered as being from east of the Mississippi River?

I yield my third DQ for whoever would like to ask it. Right now no one is springing to mind, given the DQ answers we have so far.

IQs:

Did a subordinate joke that, early in his career, he attended your “school of drama”?  
Were you that subordinate?  
Did you once attend a party with your salary printed on a sign around your neck?

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**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\
**Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2012-wargamer-chooser-initial-d/620470/39 "2012-05-07T13:45:51Z")

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> [@etv78](#):
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> Are you famous for leading a squadrom that bombed Japan?

Yes! I am Jimmy Doolittle!

Doolittle was brn in 1896 and spent World War I as a pilot instructor in Texas. During the interwar years, he was probably the second-most famous pilot (maybe third, after Lindbergh and maybe Amelia Earhardt) in the country, winning numerous air races.

When WW II broke out, Doolittle volunteered to lead the raid on Tokyo, and ended up commanding the 8th Air Force at the end of the war. Interestilngly enough, he flew a bombing raid on Rome while in the Med, and if he had been allowed to by Eisenhower, he would have flown a raid on Berlin to become the only person to bomb all three Axis capitals.  
!  
Congrats **etv78**!

For **Elendil’s Heir’s** IQs, I believe he’s referring to Douglas MacArthur and aforementioned Dwight D. Eisenhower. I have no clue who the third IQ refers to.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2012-wargamer-chooser-initial-d/620470/40 "2012-05-07T20:27:55Z")

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Way to go, **etv78**!

> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> …IQs:
> 
> Did a subordinate joke that, early in his career, he attended your “school of drama”?  
> Were you that subordinate?  
> Did you once attend a party with your salary printed on a sign around your neck?

Yes, MacArthur and Eisenhower.  
The third was Dorothy Parker. Forbidden by their employer to “talk about” their salaries, they had a party in which they wrote them down on signs instead and hung them around their necks.

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