# Botticelli May 2015 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [May 8, 2015, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2015/719571 "2015-05-08T19:13:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2015/719571/421 "2015-05-26T00:00:36Z")
**J** 1. Real 2. Male 3. Dead 4. American, for certain values of “American” 5. Did not die after 2000 6. Not known for the Arts 7. North American 8. Have undoubtedly killed at least one person 9. Born before 1800 10. Criminal 11. Not of British descent **Re #4 and #7:** Born in the Americas according to some sources, born elsewhere according to others; best known for activities in North America. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2015/719571/422 "2015-05-26T00:24:27Z")
Previous IQs: Did you talk by phone to a time-traveling teacher from Maine in a recent novel? - Yes, JFK, in Stephen King’s _11/22/63_ Were you that person’s spouse, who did the same? - Yes, Jackie Kennedy, ditto. Did you play Bruce Willis’s younger self in _Looper_? - Joseph Gordon-Levitt: [LOOPER - Official Trailer (HD) - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iQuhsmtfHw). DQs: First name start with J? IQs: Did Sherlock Holmes help you in your quarrel with the Red-Headed League? Did you once spend all night in the Old Cuyahoga County Courthouse? Did you always have some mighty fine wine? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2015/719571/423 "2015-05-26T00:48:05Z")
> [@](#): > > IQs: > > 1. Were you a 1st Century Roman satirist? > 2. Are you the head of the maids at the palace at the Emerald City? > 3. Are you Johnny Chambers’ alter ego? > > Not Juvenal. > DQ. > DQ. Correct on #1. #2 was Jellia Jamb. #3 was Johnny Quick. 2 DQs reserved. ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2015/719571/424 "2015-05-26T01:45:31Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Did Sherlock Holmes help you in your quarrel with the Red-Headed League? > Did you once spend all night in the Old Cuyahoga County Courthouse? > Did you always have some mighty fine wine? Not Jabez Whatsisface. DQ. Not Jeremiah the bullfrog. **J** 1. Real 2. Male 3. Dead 4. American, for certain values of “American” 5. Did not die after 2000 6. Not known for the Arts 7. North American 8. Have undoubtedly killed at least one person 9. Born before 1800 10. Criminal 11. Not of British descent 12. First name starts with J. **Re #4 and #7:** Born in the Americas according to some sources, born elsewhere according to others; best known for activities in North America. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2015/719571/425 "2015-05-26T01:46:19Z")
> [@](#): > > IQ1: Are you the fourth king of Judea, named after a valley? > IQ2: Did gospel writer Mark attribute this description of you: “clothing of camel’s hair with a leather belt around his waist, and his food was locusts and wild honey?” > IQ3: Did Matthias replace you as one of the Twelve Apostles? > > DQ. > Not John the Baptist. > Not Judas Iscariot. Jumpin’ Jehoshaphat, correct x2 DQ: Mexican? ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2015/719571/426 "2015-05-26T01:58:58Z")
IQ1: Are you a serpent so big you can encircle the Earth and swallow your own tail? IQ2: Are you a May Day participant who dresses in foliage garlands and dances? IQ3: Do you whiffle through the tulgey wood and burble as you come? ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2015/719571/427 "2015-05-26T02:26:20Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > IQ1: Are you a serpent so big you can encircle the Earth and swallow your own tail? > IQ2: Are you a May Day participant who dresses in foliage garlands and dances? > IQ3: Do you whiffle through the tulgey wood and burble as you come? Not Jormungandr. DQ. Not the Jabberwock. **J** 1. Real 2. Male 3. Dead 4. American, for certain values of “American” 5. Did not die after 2000 6. Not known for the Arts 7. North American 8. Have undoubtedly killed at least one person 9. Born before 1800 10. Criminal 11. Not of British descent 12. First name starts with J. 13. Not Mexican **Re #4 and #7:** Born in the Americas according to some sources, born elsewhere according to others; best known for activities in North America. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2015/719571/428 "2015-05-26T12:13:34Z")
> [@](#): > > IQ1: Are you a serpent so big you can encircle the Earth and swallow your own tail? > IQ2: Are you a May Day participant who dresses in foliage garlands and dances? > IQ3: Do you whiffle through the tulgey wood and burble as you come? > > Not Jormungandr. > DQ. > Not the Jabberwock. correct, Jack-in-the-Green, correct Can we assume from now on that the DQ “American?” means “was this person born in the USA?” and not “is this person from a place that has America in the name, like Central America, South America, North America, etc?” holding a DQ ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2015/719571/429 "2015-05-26T13:12:34Z")
Yes, **Knowed Out** , that has always been my understanding re: “American.” With Native Americans it gets a little trickier, though, depending upon dates and citizenship status. Previous IQs: Did Sherlock Holmes help you in your quarrel with the Red-Headed League? - Yes, Jabez Wilson. Did you once spend all night in the Old Cuyahoga County Courthouse? - Joss Whedon, directing a scene from _The Avengers_: [I was an Avengers extra - Cafe Society - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=650920) Did you always have some mighty fine wine? - Yes, Jeremiah the Bullfrog, from the song. DQ: Best known for a single incident? IQs: Did Finney hate and try to frame you? Were you Finney’s daughter? Were you a noted potter of early Ohio history? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2015/719571/430 "2015-05-26T15:32:59Z")
DQ: Native American? 1 DQ reserved. IQs: 1. Were you Paul Winchell’s main dummy? 2. Did you write _Born Free_? 3. Were you a big band leader whose brother left your group to start his own band? ---
**Author:** ![Baffle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/dec6dc/32.png) [@Baffle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baffle)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2015/719571/431 "2015-05-26T15:36:49Z")
IQ1: Did your brother market Billy Beer? IQ2: Are you considered to be the father of the US Navy? IQ3: Was your birth name Thayendanegea? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2015/719571/432 "2015-05-26T16:03:34Z")
Kindly disregard the above IQs. IQ: Is Cap’n Crunch’s archenemy a parody of you (at least in name)? ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2015/719571/433 "2015-05-26T20:41:50Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Can we assume from now on that the DQ “American?” means “was this person born in the USA?” Of course, by that definition George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, &c, wouldn’t be Americans… > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > IQs: > > Did Finney hate and try to frame you? > Were you Finney’s daughter? > Were you a noted potter of early Ohio history? > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > IQs: > > 1. Were you Paul Winchell’s main dummy? > 2. Did you write _Born Free_? > 3. Were you a big band leader whose brother left your group to start his own band? > [@Baffle](#): > > IQ1: Did your brother market Billy Beer? > IQ2: Are you considered to be the father of the US Navy? > IQ3: Was your birth name Thayendanegea? > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Kindly disregard the above IQs. > > IQ: Is Cap’n Crunch’s archenemy a parody of you (at least in name)? I am not Jerry Mahoney, Joy Adamson, Jimmy Dorsey, Jimmy Carter, John Paul Jones, Joseph Brant, or any of the three potential DQs EH asked about. I am, however, Baratarian pirate **J** ean Lafitte, born (according to various sources) in France, Spain, New York, or what in later years became Haiti, and known amongst other things for my part in the defence of New Orleans. Sure, ask all the easy IQs right before someone guesses the right answer… ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2015/719571/434 "2015-05-27T00:24:23Z")
Gaaaah ok, how about “American?” means “Born in or became a citizen of the USA, inclusive of its military bases, possessions, and embassies, or is commonly identified as being from the USA even though other nationalities may apply?” Grats, Perfesser. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2015/719571/435 "2015-05-27T00:32:32Z")
In the past we have said “American” when we meant a U.S. citizen, but “American (for some definitions of American)” when it was something else, including Canadian, Mexican, etc., etc. I don’t see a need to change. I am M. ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2015/719571/436 "2015-05-27T01:45:17Z")
IQ1: Does a song about you mention the lantern in front of a barracks gate? IQ2: Were you the best-known singer of that song? IQ3: Were you really Norma Jeane Baker? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2015/719571/437 "2015-05-27T01:47:25Z")
Good name - well played, **Prof. P.** Previous IQs: Did Finney hate and try to frame you? - James T. Kirk, in the ST:TOS Episode “Court Martial.” Were you Finney’s daughter? - Jamie, named after Kirk. Were you a noted potter of early Ohio history? - Jabez Vodrey of East Liverpool. On to M. IQs: Did your theories on naval power strongly influence Theodore Roosevelt? Did you give your name to a mental disorder that one wouldn’t want one’s parents to have? Was your middle name Brinton? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2015/719571/438 "2015-05-27T04:18:38Z")
> [@SCAdian](#): > > IQ1: Does a song about you mention the lantern in front of a barracks gate? > IQ2: Were you the best-known singer of that song? > IQ3: Were you really Norma Jeane Baker? 1. I am not Lily Marlene. 2. I am not Marlene Dietrich. 3. I am not Marilyn Monroe. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2015/719571/439 "2015-05-27T04:19:45Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > IQs: > > Did your theories on naval power strongly influence Theodore Roosevelt? > Did you give your name to a mental disorder that one wouldn’t want one’s parents to have? > Was your middle name Brinton? Take 3 DQs. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2015/719571/440 "2015-05-27T13:05:18Z")
IQ1: Are you a two-inch alien worm that runs the _Monster Society of Evil_, early foes of Captain Marvel? IQ2: Are you the leader of the Metropolis criminal organization _Intergang_, nicknamed “Ugly”? IQ3: Are you a Doom Patrol alumnus who married Elasti-Girl? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2015/719571.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2015/719571.md?page=23)