# Botticelli - May 2017

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2017/785506>\
**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [April 29, 2017, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2017/785506 "2017-04-29T16:43:58Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
**Page:** 25

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**Author:** ![divemaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/divemaster/32/78_2.png) [@divemaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/divemaster)\
**Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2017/785506/481 "2017-05-30T08:52:17Z")

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IQ: Did you teach Jody Tiflin all about horses, to help him care for his new red pony?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2017/785506/482 "2017-05-30T14:41:49Z")

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> [@divemaster](#):
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> IQ: Did you teach Jody Tiflin all about horses, to help him care for his new red pony?

Take a DQ.

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**Author:** ![divemaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/divemaster/32/78_2.png) [@divemaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/divemaster)\
**Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2017/785506/483 "2017-05-30T14:47:59Z")

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Drat. Steinbeck’s character of Billy Buck from **The Red Pony** seemed to check every one of the DQ boxes. Thought that might have been it.

I’ll reserve the DQ, since I had the last one.

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**Author:** ![divemaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/divemaster/32/78_2.png) [@divemaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/divemaster)\
**Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2017/785506/484 "2017-05-30T15:03:08Z")

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Ok, one more and I’ll stop:

Are you an impotent expat journalist who lived in Paris?

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2017/785506/485 "2017-05-30T15:35:33Z")

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DQ: Did the novel(s) win any major awards?

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**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\
**Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2017/785506/486 "2017-05-30T15:59:40Z")

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I’ll ask an EH standard.

DQ: Does the story take place in NYC?

holding 1 DQ

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2017/785506/487 "2017-05-30T16:04:06Z")

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> [@divemaster](#):
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> …Are you an impotent expat journalist who lived in Paris?

Take a DQ.

B.

1. fictional
2. male
3. last name starts with B
4. first appeared as a character in a novel
5. American
6. has been portrayed in a movie
7. first appeared before 1950
8. would/could be alive today, if real, but seems unlikely
9. protagonist of the novel/movie
10. not considered a comedic character
11. movie made before 1960
12. not a genre novel (SF, fantasy, western, mystery, &c)
13. created after 1900
14. novel written by a man
15. character has not appeared in 3 or more books written by the same author
16. novel won major award
17. story does not take place in NYC

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**Author:** ![divemaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/divemaster/32/78_2.png) [@divemaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/divemaster)\
**Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2017/785506/488 "2017-05-30T17:04:48Z")

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> [@divemaster](#):
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> Ok, one more and I’ll stop:
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> Are you an impotent expat journalist who lived in Paris?

> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Take a DQ.

Another swing and a miss by me. This would have been Jake Barnes, protagonist of **The Sun also Rises**. It was more of a direct guess than an IQ. I won’t take a DQ for this (I still have one in reserve).

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**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\
**Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2017/785506/489 "2017-05-30T17:26:29Z")

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We’ve asked game guesses as IQs before. Take the DQ.

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**Author:** ![divemaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/divemaster/32/78_2.png) [@divemaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/divemaster)\
**Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2017/785506/490 "2017-05-30T18:03:15Z")

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Here’s a DQ: Is the novel regularly taught in high school English classes or college American lit courses?

(I know schools teach everything from Stephen King to Quentin Tarantino these days, but I hope you get my drift)

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**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\
**Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2017/785506/491 "2017-05-30T22:03:25Z")

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DQ: Novel would be found in the Adult Fiction section of a library?  
One DQ reserved.

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2017/785506/492 "2017-05-31T01:04:22Z")

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IQ: Are you the title character of a Sinclair Lewis novel?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2017/785506/493 "2017-05-31T04:54:02Z")

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> [@Knowed\_Out](#):
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> We’ve asked game guesses as IQs before. Take the DQ.

Agreed. It functions as a valid IQ in this context.

> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#):
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> IQ: Are you the title character of a Sinclair Lewis novel?

Not Babbitt.

B.

1. fictional
2. male
3. last name starts with B
4. first appeared as a character in a novel
5. American
6. has been portrayed in a movie
7. first appeared before 1950
8. would/could be alive today, if real, but seems unlikely
9. protagonist of the novel/movie
10. not considered a comedic character
11. movie made before 1960
12. not a genre novel (SF, fantasy, western, mystery, &c)
13. created after 1900
14. novel written by a man
15. character has not appeared in 3 or more books written by the same author
16. novel won major award
17. story does not take place in NYC
18. unsure if the novel is regularly taught in high school English classes or college American lit courses (although it is regarded as a classic)
19. would be found in the Adult Fiction section of a library

I’ll answer the next three already-earned DQs. First come, first served.

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**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\
**Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2017/785506/494 "2017-05-31T12:02:41Z")

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DQ: Does story take place during the Great Depression era?

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**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\
**Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2017/785506/495 "2017-05-31T12:20:13Z")

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DQ: Main setting of the story is in the US, west of the Mississippi?

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**Author:** ![divemaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/divemaster/32/78_2.png) [@divemaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/divemaster)\
**Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2017/785506/496 "2017-05-31T12:22:23Z")

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DQ: Did the “movie made before 1960” adaptation win an Oscar in any category?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2017/785506/497 "2017-05-31T14:26:50Z")

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B.

1. fictional
2. male
3. last name starts with B
4. first appeared as a character in a novel
5. American
6. has been portrayed in a movie
7. first appeared before 1950
8. would/could be alive today, if real, but seems unlikely
9. protagonist of the novel/movie
10. not considered a comedic character
11. movie made before 1960
12. not a genre novel (SF, fantasy, western, mystery, &c)
13. created after 1900
14. novel written by a man
15. character has not appeared in 3 or more books written by the same author
16. novel won major award
17. story does not take place in NYC
18. unsure if the novel is regularly taught in high school English classes or college American lit courses (although it is regarded as a classic)
19. would be found in the Adult Fiction section of a library
20. story takes place during the Great Depression era
21. main setting of the story is in the US, but unclear if west of the Mississippi
22. movie made before 1960 won several Oscars

Right. Feel free to discuss amongst yourselves. Please ask your earned “Are you Firstname Lastname?” questions by noon EST Fri.

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**Author:** ![divemaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/divemaster/32/78_2.png) [@divemaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/divemaster)\
**Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2017/785506/498 "2017-05-31T14:55:56Z")

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Are you Jack Burden?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2017/785506/499 "2017-06-01T04:10:37Z")

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Ding ding ding! We have a winner! Yes, I am

Jack Burden

Narrator and world-weary protagonist of Robert Penn Warren’s Pulitzer-winning political novel _All the King’s Men_: [All the King's Men - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_the_King%27s_Men)

Good job, **divemaster**! How’d you figure it out?

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**Author:** ![divemaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/divemaster/32/78_2.png) [@divemaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/divemaster)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-may-2017/785506/500 "2017-06-01T05:24:49Z")

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Yay!

The light bulb dinged on, as it were, with the answer to DQ21:

1. main setting of the story is in the US, but unclear if west of the Mississippi

From that, the story had to be either one that never gave a clue as to where it was set (very unusual for American fiction of that era) OR, it had to be set in a place like Louisiana, which is bisected by the Mississippi River. And the highly regarded novel that fit was **All the King’s Men**.

Ironically, you had answered my DQ18

1. unsure if the novel is regularly taught in high school English classes or college American lit courses (although it is regarded as a classic)

…when in fact, this was assigned reading for my college freshman English class. This was at LSU, in Baton Rouge, which is of course one of the main settings of the novel and is bisected by the Mississippi River.

So it all fell together very quickly once I saw DQ21 and remembered my own class assignment with DQ18.

My turn to host? I am

J.

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