# Botticelli, Nov. 2022

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-nov-2022/974093>\
**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [October 31, 2022, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-nov-2022/974093 "2022-10-31T20:23:41Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
**Page:** 12

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-nov-2022/974093/221 "2022-11-20T03:34:47Z")

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J.

1. real
2. male
3. last name starts with J
4. deceased
5. naturalized American
6. not known for the Arts
7. not known for politics/government
8. died after 1950
9. known. among other things, for business
10. died after 1980
11. died before 2010
12. originally from Europe
13. name of business contains all or part of his name
14. business still in operation
15. business creates physical objects as products
16. business not related to food and drink

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**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-nov-2022/974093/222 "2022-11-20T06:14:13Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> > [@SCAdian](#):
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> > IQ1: Did you write _Three Men on the Bummel_?  
> > IQ3: Were you one of Sgt Fury’s men?  
> > IQ3: Are you one of Col Fury’s men?
> 
> Not Jerome K. Jerome, Jack Combat or G.I. Joe.

correct  
Junior Juniper  
Jasper Sitwell

DQ1: Business related to electronics?  
DQ2: British?

IQ1: Were you SecWar under Pierce?  
IQ2: Did you, your mother-in-law, and two other family members move to California?  
IQ3: Were you a female cousin of #2?

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-nov-2022/974093/223 "2022-11-20T08:24:43Z")

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IQ1: Did you claim to have invented jazz?  
IQ2: Does a popular Christmas story’s first sentence indicate that you were dead?  
IQ2: Did your mother slaughter a bunch of horny teenagers because she thought their negligence caused your death?

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-nov-2022/974093/224 "2022-11-20T15:18:25Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#):
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> > IQs:
> > 
> > 1. Have you been appointed Special Counsel by Merrill Garland investigating the Trump cases today?
> > 2. Did you costar with Gene Kelly in _The Pirate_?
> > 3. In Marvel Comics are you aka Cain Marko?
> 
> Not Jack Iforgethislastname, not Jean Arthur and dunno.

#1 is Jack Smith.  
#2 was Judy Garland.  
#3 is the Juggernaut.

3 DQs reserved.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-nov-2022/974093/225 "2022-11-21T04:30:57Z")

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I got the “J” name (Jack), so I believe you have two DQs, **Prof. P.**

> [@SCAdian](#):
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> IQ1: Were you SecWar under Pierce?  
> IQ2: Did you, your mother-in-law, and two other family members move to California?  
> IQ3: Were you a female cousin of #2?

Not Jefferson Davis, not Jed Clampett (sp?) and not Jessica Clampett.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-nov-2022/974093/226 "2022-11-21T04:33:41Z")

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> [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#):
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> IQ1: Did you claim to have invented jazz?  
> IQ2: Does a popular Christmas story’s first sentence indicate that you were dead?  
> IQ2: Did your mother slaughter a bunch of horny teenagers because she thought their negligence caused your death?

Not Jelly Roll Morton, not Jacob Marley and not Jason.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-nov-2022/974093/227 "2022-11-21T04:35:24Z")

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J.

1. real
2. male
3. last name starts with J
4. deceased
5. naturalized American
6. not known for the Arts
7. not known for politics/government
8. died after 1950
9. known, among other things, for business
10. died after 1980
11. died before 2010
12. originally from Europe
13. name of business contains all or part of his name
14. business still in operation
15. business creates physical objects as products
16. business not related to food and drink
17. business not related to electronics
18. not British

As we’re now over 20 earned DQs, no more IQs, please.

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-nov-2022/974093/228 "2022-11-21T14:20:40Z")

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DQ: Business created mechanical products?

1 DQ remaining.

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-nov-2022/974093/229 "2022-11-21T16:53:40Z")

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Another sweep! No more DQs for me.

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**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-nov-2022/974093/230 "2022-11-21T19:08:52Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
>
> > [@SCAdian](#):
> >
> > IQ1: Were you SecWar under Pierce?  
> > IQ2: Did you, your mother-in-law, and two other family members move to California?  
> > IQ3: Were you a female cousin of #2?
> 
> Not Jefferson Davis, not Jed Clampett (sp?) and not Jessica Clampett.

correct  
correct  
Jethrine Bodine, Jethro’s twin sister

One DQ reserved.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-nov-2022/974093/231 "2022-11-21T19:52:17Z")

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J.

1. real
2. male
3. last name starts with J
4. deceased
5. naturalized American
6. not known for the Arts
7. not known for politics/government
8. died after 1950
9. known, among other things, for business
10. died after 1980
11. died before 2010
12. originally from Europe
13. name of business contains all or part of his name
14. business still in operation
15. business creates physical objects as products
16. business not related to food and drink
17. business not related to electronics
18. not British
19. business created mechanical products

As I understand the phrase, at least.

Please ask all earned DQs by noon EST tomorrow.

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-nov-2022/974093/232 "2022-11-21T20:26:17Z")

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DQ: German (or Germanic)?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-nov-2022/974093/233 "2022-11-21T20:29:19Z")

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J.

1. real
2. male
3. last name starts with J
4. deceased
5. naturalized American
6. not known for the Arts
7. not known for politics/government
8. died after 1950
9. known, among other things, for business
10. died after 1980
11. died before 2010
12. originally from Europe
13. name of business contains all or part of his name
14. business still in operation
15. business creates physical objects as products
16. business not related to food and drink
17. business not related to electronics
18. not British
19. business created mechanical products
20. not German (or Germanic)

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**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-nov-2022/974093/234 "2022-11-21T20:40:36Z")

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DQ: Native speaker of a Romance language?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-nov-2022/974093/235 "2022-11-22T19:17:21Z")

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J.

1. real
2. male
3. last name starts with J
4. deceased
5. naturalized American
6. not known for the Arts
7. not known for politics/government
8. died after 1950
9. known, among other things, for business
10. died after 1980
11. died before 2010
12. originally from Europe
13. name of business contains all or part of his name
14. business still in operation
15. business creates physical objects as products
16. business not related to food and drink
17. business not related to electronics
18. not British
19. business created mechanical products
20. not German (or Germanic)
21. native speaker of a Romance language

Tawk amongst yourselves, and then please ask all earned “Are you Firstname Lastname?” questions by noon EST tomorrow.

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-nov-2022/974093/236 "2022-11-22T21:46:35Z")

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So, businessman, name on a product (mechanical, but not electronics), died 1981 to 2009, maybe French, Spanish or Italian.

I’m not comin’ up with a car-related name offhand. (Unless, of course, it’s Francoise du Jeep 🤪).

Time to think…

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-nov-2022/974093/237 "2022-11-22T23:26:37Z")

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Hmm… non-electronic mechanical product. Cars? Watches? Kitchen appliances?  
Of course, we don’t know for certain that the J last name is part of the company name. It could be just his first name…  
Also, not known only for business, also known for other things? An athlete who started a business? A fashion designer who also does watches?  
Time to ponder…

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-nov-2022/974093/238 "2022-11-23T15:52:23Z")

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Still no clue.

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**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\
**Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-nov-2022/974093/239 "2022-11-23T16:07:21Z")

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Ditto.

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-nov-2022/974093/240 "2022-11-23T18:59:22Z")

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I’m stumped

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