# Botticelli November 2011

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721>\
**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [November 3, 2011, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721 "2011-11-03T07:31:42Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [November 13, 2011, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/81 "2011-11-13T02:45:21Z")

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1. Male
2. Dead
3. Real Person
4. Not involved in sports
5. Not an entertainer of any kind.
6. Not a politician, but a very important political figure anyway.
7. Not American

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**Author:** ![AppallingGael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@AppallingGael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AppallingGael)\
**Post date:** [November 13, 2011, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/82 "2011-11-13T02:58:20Z")

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> [@astorian](#):
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> Not Gilbert Grape, and not Gogi Grant.
> 
> But take a DQ for “The Tenth Man.”

_The Tenth Man_ was a late-career “entertainment” (as he styled his enjoyable novels) by Graham Greene.

DQ: Does your last name begin with “G”?

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [November 13, 2011, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/83 "2011-11-13T04:16:41Z")

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> [@AppallingGael](#):
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> _The Tenth Man_ was a late-career “entertainment” (as he styled his enjoyable novels) by Graham Greene.
> 
> DQ: Does your last name begin with “G”?

Ah… I should have extrapolated from “The Third Man.”

No, my last name doesn’t start with G.

1. Male
2. Dead
3. Real Person
4. Not involved in sports
5. Not an entertainer of any kind.
6. Not a politician, but a very important political figure anyway.
7. Not American
8. First name starts with G

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**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\
**Post date:** [November 13, 2011, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/84 "2011-11-13T14:22:18Z")

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> [@Sternvogel](#):
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> IQ: Did you record the song _Ghosts of Cape Horn_?
> 
> IQ: Are you a baseball great whose middle name is Moses?

> [@astorian](#):
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> Not Bobby Goldsboro (“Watching Scotty Grow” and “Honey”)
> 
> Take a DQ for the other 2.

The song _Ghosts of Cape Horn_ (or, as some people hear, “Ghosts of Gay Porn”) was written and performed by Gordon Lightfoot.

Robert Moses Grove was better known as “Lefty”.

DQ: Royalty?

DQ: European?

IQ: Were you both a Supreme Court justice and U.S. Ambassador to the U.N.?

IQ: Were you a Dallas Cowboy and a smokeless tobacco pitchman?

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**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\
**Post date:** [November 13, 2011, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/85 "2011-11-13T16:13:15Z")

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IQ: Are you an iconic Canadian actor from Newfoundland?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 13, 2011, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/86 "2011-11-13T17:29:34Z")

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How did I miss this thread before now? D’oh!

IQ: Did you include a little apartment for yourself in your most famous structure?

IQ: Did you have to borrow money just before beginning your most important gig?

IQ: Did your dad have a white flag in his office for eight years?

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [November 13, 2011, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/87 "2011-11-13T22:10:45Z")

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> [@Sternvogel](#):
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> The song _Ghosts of Cape Horn_ (or, as some people hear, “Ghosts of Gay Porn”) was written and performed by Gordon Lightfoot.
> 
> Robert Moses Grove was better known as “Lefty”.
> 
> DQ: Royalty?
> 
> DQ: European?
> 
> IQ: Were you both a Supreme Court justice and U.S. Ambassador to the U.N.?
> 
> IQ: Were you a Dallas Cowboy and a smokeless tobacco pitchman?

Not Arthur Goldberg or Walt Garrison.

No, not royalty

Yes, European

1. Male
2. Dead
3. Real Person
4. Not involved in sports
5. Not an entertainer of any kind.
6. Not a politician, but a very important political figure anyway.
7. Not American
8. First name starts with G
9. Not an aristocrat, nobleman, monarch or member of any royal family
10. European

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [November 13, 2011, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/88 "2011-11-13T22:12:17Z")

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> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#):
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> IQ: Are you an iconic Canadian actor from Newfoundland?

Not… Lorne Greene? (I know he was Canadian, but not his home province).

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**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\
**Post date:** [November 13, 2011, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/89 "2011-11-13T22:55:33Z")

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I’m ever so sorry, Lorne Greene is indeed an iconic Canadian actor, but he was born and raised in Ottawa, Ontario. If he’d been from The Rock, I’d have given you that one.

Gordon Pinsent was who I had in mind. From ‘The Rowdyman’ to ‘A Gift to Last’ to his role as the ghost of Bennie’s father on ‘Due South’ to his outstanding performance in ‘Away from Her’, he is one of the most recognizable figures on the Canadian scene.

DQ: Did you die between 1900 and the present day?

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/90 "2011-11-14T00:53:03Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> How did I miss this thread before now? D’oh!
> 
> IQ: Did you include a little apartment for yourself in your most famous structure?
> 
> IQ: Did you have to borrow money just before beginning your most important gig?
> 
> IQ: Did your dad have a white flag in his office for eight years?

Not… Gustave Eiffel?  
Don’t know who borrowed money.

Don’t know the white flag, either.

So, you get either 2 or 3 DQs.

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/91 "2011-11-14T00:54:12Z")

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> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#):
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> DQ: Did you die between 1900 and the present day?

Yes.

1. Male
2. Dead
3. Real Person
4. Not involved in sports
5. Not an entertainer of any kind.
6. Not a politician, but a very important political figure anyway.
7. Not American
8. First name starts with G
9. Not an aristocrat, nobleman, monarch or member of any royal family
10. European
11. Died after 1900

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/92 "2011-11-14T03:01:25Z")

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> [@astorian](#):
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> Not… Gustave Eiffel?
> 
> Don’t know who borrowed money.
> 
> Don’t know the white flag, either.
> 
> So, you get either 2 or 3 DQs.

Correct as to Eiffel.

George Washington, land-rich but cash-poor, had to borrow money from a friend before going to New York City for his first inauguration as President.

George W. Bush’s dad served eight years as Vice President. The VP’s flag is white.

DQ: British?

DQ: Died after 1950?

IQ: Was a big modern art museum named after you?

IQ: Is the mispronunciation of your name a minor plot point in a recent popular musical?

IQ: Did you, with a reporter, draw a clear line between domestic life and official policy as to a single word?

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/93 "2011-11-14T05:33:50Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> DQ: British?
> 
> DQ: Died after 1950?

No and no.

1. Male
2. Dead
3. Real Person
4. Not involved in sports
5. Not an entertainer of any kind.
6. Not a politician, but a very important political figure anyway.
7. Not American
8. First name starts with G
9. Not an aristocrat, nobleman, monarch or member of any royal family
10. European
11. Died after 1900 but before 1950
12. Not British

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/94 "2011-11-14T05:36:09Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> IQ: Was a big modern art museum named after you?
> 
> IQ: Is the mispronunciation of your name a minor plot point in a recent popular musical?
> 
> IQ: Did you, with a reporter, draw a clear line between domestic life and official policy as to a single word?

Not Solomon Guggenheim

Don’t know the other 2, so take 2 DQs.

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/95 "2011-11-14T08:34:25Z")

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IQ: Did the current Pope call you a prophet of peace?

IQ: Was your most famous creation a substitute for Binky, Sheba, Bongo, Akbar and Jeff?

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/96 "2011-11-14T13:21:15Z")

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> [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#):
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> IQ: Did the current Pope call you a prophet of peace?
> 
> IQ: Was your most famous creation a substitute for Binky, Sheba, Bongo, Akbar and Jeff?

Not Matt (“The Simpsons”) Groening (THAT one I’m sure of).

As for the prophet of peace… I’ll venture a guess and say, not Mohandas Gandhi. (If Gandhi is wrong, ask a DQ)

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**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\
**Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/97 "2011-11-14T16:39:38Z")

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IQ: Was your posthumously published play made into an opera by Alban Berg? (Extra hint: the title character’s name is spelled differently, depending on whether you’re speaking of the play or the opera, because the condition of the manuscript was so bad, the first editor could hardly read it for the mouse turds…)

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/98 "2011-11-14T17:23:46Z")

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> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#):
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> IQ: Was your posthumously published play made into an opera by Alban Berg? (Extra hint: the title character’s name is spelled differently, depending on whether you’re speaking of the play or the opera, because the condition of the manuscript was so bad, the first editor could hardly read it for the mouse turds…)

I know the play has to be either _ **Lulu** _ or _ **Wozzeck** _, but I don’t know who wrote either of those plays.

So, take a DQ.

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**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\
**Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/99 "2011-11-14T18:03:53Z")

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Did the Supreme Court order your father’s company broken up?

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/100 "2011-11-14T18:08:55Z")

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> [@etv78](#):
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> Did the Supreme Court order your father’s company broken up?

I can’t think of any Rockefellers with first names that start with G, so take a DQ.

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