# Botticelli November 2011 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [November 3, 2011, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721 "2011-11-03T07:31:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/121 "2011-11-15T22:26:45Z")
IQ: Did you record an album called _Dream Babies Go Hollywood_? IQ: Were you Kramer’s never-seen friend on _Seinfeld_? IQ: Was your original surname Zuck? ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/122 "2011-11-16T00:27:52Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > DQ: Real? > > DQ: American? > > More IQs: > > IQ: Were you a surrogate son to, and architect of, a very bad man? > > IQ: Did you cause quite a stir when you destroyed an image on TV? > > IQ: Did you play a frustrated officer, a restaurant owner and a clergyman? DQs: No and no. IQ1: No idea, take a DQ IQ2: No, I am not Sinead O’Connor, who tore up a picture of the pope on Saturday Night Live IQ3: I’m gonna guess I am not Tony Shalhoub, who played a restaurant owner in _Big Night_, one could argue Monk is the frustrated police officer, don’t know if he ever played a clergyman though. If that’s wrong,take another DQ. > [@astorian](#): > > DQ: Last name start with “S”? > > (I’ll ask the other 2 after I see some of the other answers). No > [@Sternvogel](#): > > IQ: Did you record an album called _Dream Babies Go Hollywood_? > > IQ: Were you Kramer’s never-seen friend on _Seinfeld_? > > IQ: Was your original surname Zuck? IQ2: No, I am not Bob Sacamano. Take DQs for the other 2. Recap: S 1. Male 2. Not real 3. Not American 4. Last name does not start with ‘S’ ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/123 "2011-11-16T01:00:07Z")
DQ2: Did you first appear in a novel? DQ3: Is your creator European? ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/124 "2011-11-16T01:40:02Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > DQ2: Did you first appear in a novel? > > DQ3: Is your creator European? Yes No Recap: S 1. Male 2. Not real 3. Not American 4. Last name does not start with ‘S’ 5. First appeared in a novel 6. Creator is not European ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/125 "2011-11-16T04:21:25Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > IQ: Were you a surrogate son to, and architect of, a very bad man? > > IQ: Did you cause quite a stir when you destroyed an image on TV? > > IQ: Did you play a frustrated officer, a restaurant owner and a clergyman? Albert Speer, Hitler’s favorite architect. Yes, Sinead O’Connor. Stephen Collins in _Star Trek: The Motion Picture, Tattingers_ and _7th Heaven_, respectively. DQ: Novel written since 1945? DQ: Main character of that novel? IQ: Did you pretend to be a queen in order to protect her? IQ: Are you the main female character of Thornton Wilder’s _The Skin of Our Teeth_? IQ: Was a Wilson Pickett song played on a special occasion for you? ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/126 "2011-11-16T05:19:04Z")
Did you win both an Oscar and a Tony for your portrayal of a Catholic saint? Did you lead the effort to get a National League expansion team for New York, after the Dodgers and Giants moved out? In your golden years, in the Seventies, did you play a country lawyer on a short-lived TV series called _ **Hawkins** _? ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/127 "2011-11-16T10:25:00Z")
Huh, I thought I’d replied to this. Forgive me if this ends up being a double post > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > DQ: Novel written since 1945? > > DQ: Main character of that novel? > > IQ: Did you pretend to be a queen in order to protect her? > > IQ: Are you the main female character of Thornton Wilder’s _The Skin of Our Teeth_? > > IQ: Was a Wilson Pickett song played on a special occasion for you? DQs: No Yes IQ1: I am not Sabe, who disguised herself as Queen Amidala in _The Phantom Menace_ Take DQs for the other 2. > [@astorian](#): > > Did you win both an Oscar and a Tony for your portrayal of a Catholic saint? > Did you lead the effort to get a National League expansion team for New York, after the Dodgers and Giants moved out? > > In your golden years, in the Seventies, did you play a country lawyer on a short-lived TV series called _ **Hawkins** _? Take 3 DQs. Recap: S 1. Male 2. Not real 3. Not American 4. Last name does not start with ‘S’ 5. First appeared in a novel 6. Creator is not European 7. Novel written before 1945 8. Main character of novel ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/128 "2011-11-16T14:42:23Z")
1. Paul Scofiedl played \*\*\*St. Thomas More \*\*\*in both the Broadway play \*\*\*A Man for All \*\*\*_ **Seasons** _ and the movie versions. He won both the Ton yand the Oscar for his performance. 2. Lawyer Bill Shea led the fight to bring the Mets to New York. Shea Stadium, their home for decades, was named after him. 3. Jimmy Stewart played country lawyer Hawkins on a Seventies TV series. DQ1: Was your creator American? DQ2: Did you first appear in the 20th century? DQ3: Did you appear in more than one novel? ---
**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/129 "2011-11-16T16:33:04Z")
IQ: Did your author’s parents die before he was three years old, and did he marry a 13 year-old girl in 1835? IQ: Are you an old fisherman? ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/130 "2011-11-16T17:13:48Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > DQ1: Was your creator American? > > DQ2: Did you first appear in the 20th century? > > DQ3: Did you appear in more than one novel? No No I’ll say No. If I parse the question literally, then yes, I was in a little-known sequel (actually midquel,as the events of the work take place in the middle of the original) written 50 years after the original by a different author. But most people associate me with the one novel. > [@Rebo](#): > > IQ: Did your author’s parents die before he was three years old, and did he marry a 13 year-old girl in 1835? > > IQ: Are you an old fisherman? IQ1: Take a DQ IQ2: I am not Santiago, from Hemingway’s _The Old Man and the Sea_ Recap: S 1. Male 2. Not real 3. Not American 4. Last name does not start with ‘S’ 5. First appeared in a novel 6. Creator is not European 7. Novel written before 1945 8. Main character of novel 9. Creator was not American 10. First appeared before the 20th century 11. For all practical purposes, did not appear in more than one novel. See caveat above. ---
**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/131 "2011-11-16T17:51:11Z")
> [@](#): > > Did your author’s parents die before he was three years old, and did he marry a 13 year-old girl in 1835? I can’t remember which character I had picked, but it doesn’t matter since the author was not Edgar Allen Poe. DQ: Was the setting of the novel during a war? ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/132 "2011-11-16T19:13:05Z")
IQ: Was one of your earliest novels a semi-fictional biography of Welsh pirate Henry Morgan? IQ: Were you a Vice Presidential candidate who had 3 brothers-in-law who all made serious bids for the Democratic Presidential nomination? IQ: Did you claim that major league baseball’s owners are replacing black players with Hispanics, because they’re more docile and easier to control? ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/133 "2011-11-16T20:07:50Z")
> [@Rebo](#): > > DQ: Was the setting of the novel during a war? No > [@astorian](#): > > IQ: Was one of your earliest novels a semi-fictional biography of Welsh pirate Henry Morgan? > IQ: Were you a Vice Presidential candidate who had 3 brothers-in-law who all made serious bids for the Democratic Presidential nomination? > IQ: Did you claim that major league baseball’s owners are replacing black players with Hispanics, because they’re more docile and easier to control? IQ2: I am not Sargent Shriver, McGovern’s VP candidate, and brother-in-law to the Dead Kennedys and father-in-law to Arnold Schwarzenegger Take DQs for the other 2. Recap: S 1. Male 2. Not real 3. Not American 4. Last name does not start with ‘S’ 5. First appeared in a novel 6. Creator is not European 7. Novel written before 1945 8. Main character of novel 9. Creator was not American 10. First appeared before the 20th century 11. For all practical purposes, did not appear in more than one novel. See caveat in post #130. 12. Novel not set during a war. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/134 "2011-11-16T21:09:12Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > … > IQ: Did you pretend to be a queen in order to protect her? > > IQ: Are you the main female character of Thornton Wilder’s _The Skin of Our Teeth_? > > IQ: Was a Wilson Pickett song played on a special occasion for you? Correct as to Sabe, played by the delectable Keira Knightley. Sabina was the main female character in Wilder’s play. “Mustang Sally” was played one morning by Mission Control to wake up Sally Ride and her fellow Space Shuttle astronauts. DQ: Novel written before 1900? DQ: Novel printed in a European language? Some more IQs. IQ: Were you plump, while your companion was thin? IQ: Did you win in one edition of your book, but lose in another? IQ: Did you brag that you were so fast, you could turn off the light and be in bed before it got dark? ---
**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/135 "2011-11-16T22:00:48Z")
> [@Sternvogel](#): > > IQ: Did you record an album called _Dream Babies Go Hollywood_? > > IQ: Were you Kramer’s never-seen friend on _Seinfeld_? > > IQ: Was your original surname Zuck? > [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#): > > IQ2: No, I am not Bob Sacamano. Take DQs for the other 2. John Stewart (not to be confused with comedian Jon Stewart) recorded the album. Alexandra Zuck is known to the world as Sandra Dee. DQ: Is your creator male? DQ: Is your creator Asian? IQ: Was a TV character you played named for a fairly obscure baseball player? IQ: Are you said baseball player? IQ: Did Bob Newhart once point out that you didn’t invent the telephone? ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/136 "2011-11-17T00:24:35Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > DQ: Novel written before 1900? > > DQ: Novel printed in a European language? > > Some more IQs. > > IQ: Were you plump, while your companion was thin? > > IQ: Did you win in one edition of your book, but lose in another? > > IQ: Did you brag that you were so fast, you could turn off the light and be in bed before it got dark? DQs: Yes Assuming you mean “originally printed”, no. It has been translated however. IQs: Hmm… Jack Sprat and Stan Laurel were the thin ones…Can’t think of another S one… DQ time DQs for the other 2 as well. (I’ve heard the third one attributed to Mohammad Ali/Cassius Clay, but again, not an S person) > [@Sternvogel](#): > > DQ: Is your creator male? > > DQ: Is your creator Asian? > > IQ: Was a TV character you played named for a fairly obscure baseball player? > > IQ: Are you said baseball player? > > IQ: Did Bob Newhart once point out that you didn’t invent the telephone? DQs Yes Yes Take 3 more DQs Recap: S 1. Male 2. Not real 3. Not American 4. Last name does not start with ‘S’ 5. First appeared in a novel 6. Creator is not European 7. Novel written before 1945 8. Main character of novel 9. Creator was not American 10. First appeared before the 20th century 11. For all practical purposes, did not appear in more than one novel. See caveat in post #130. 12. Novel not set during a war. 13. Novel not originally printed in a European language 14. Creator was male 15. Creator was Asian ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/137 "2011-11-17T14:50:41Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > IQ: Were you plump, while your companion was thin? > > IQ: Did you win in one edition of your book, but lose in another? > > IQ: Did you brag that you were so fast, you could turn off the light and be in bed before it got dark? Sancho Panza, Don Quixote’s sidekick. Simon Kerslake, a Tory politician and major character in Jeffrey Archer’s British political thriller _First Among Equals._ The inimitable Negro League pitcher Satchel Paige made that boast. DQ: Human being? DQ: Japanese? DQ: Heroic character? IQ: Did you play a muse to a character played by Albert Brooks? IQ: Did being named to the U.S. Supreme Court not diminish your presidential ambitions? IQ: Were you appointed to the Supreme Court by a President of one party, and promoted by a President from another? ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/138 "2011-11-17T15:43:50Z")
John Steinbeck wrote _ **Cup of Gold** _, about Welsh pirate Henry Morgan Gary Sheffield said black players were being pushed out of baseball in favor of docile, obedient Latinos DQ: Have you ever been a character in a Hollywood movie? DQ: Was the novel you appeared in written before 1800? ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/139 "2011-11-17T17:30:19Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > DQ: Human being? > DQ: Japanese? > DQ: Heroic character? > > IQ: Did you play a muse to a character played by Albert Brooks? > IQ: Did being named to the U.S. Supreme Court not diminish your presidential ambitions? > IQ: Were you appointed to the Supreme Court by a President of one party, and promoted by a President from another? DQs: No No Yes - eventually (think Han Solo - amoral mercenary in his early scenes, but heroic by movie’s end) IQ1: Not Sharon Stone, the title character of _The Muse_ DQs for the other 2. Renquist doesn’t have an ‘S’ and both his appointments were from Republican presidents. I’ll have to look up that piece of Court trivia. > [@astorian](#): > > DQ: Have you ever been a character in a Hollywood movie? > DQ: Was the novel you appeared in written before 1800? Yes, sort of. In the Hollywood movie they used a different name for me (not the “S” name, but it was the same character). Been in multiple non-Hollywood movies. Yes Recap: S 1. Male 2. Not real 3. Not American 4. Last name does not start with ‘S’ 5. First appeared in a novel 6. Creator is not European 7. Novel written before 1945 8. Main character of novel 9. Creator was not American 10. First appeared before the 20th century 11. For all practical purposes, did not appear in more than one novel. See caveat in post #130. 12. Novel not set during a war. 13. Novel not originally printed in a European language 14. Creator was male 15. Creator was Asian 16. Not a human being. 17. Not Japanese 18. Heroic character by novel’s end. 19. Have been a character in both Hollywood and non-Hollywood movies. 20. Novel was written before 1800. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721/140 "2011-11-17T18:40:08Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > IQ: Did you play a muse to a character played by Albert Brooks? > IQ: Did being named to the U.S. Supreme Court not diminish your presidential ambitions? > IQ: Were you appointed to the Supreme Court by a President of one party, and promoted by a President from another? Yes, Sharon Stone. Salmon P. Chase kept scheming to move into the White House long after Lincoln appointed him Chief Justice in 1864. Harlan Stone was appointed an Associate Justice by Coolidge but, as a supporter of the New Deal, made Chief by FDR. That’s 20 DQs answered. Should we go to “Are you [actual name]” questions, one per customer? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2011/601721.md?page=8)