# Botticelli - November 2017 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [October 30, 2017, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2017/800196 "2017-10-30T00:21:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2017/800196/101 "2017-11-05T22:42:34Z")
DQs: 1. Real 2. Male 3. Dead 4. Not known for the Arts 5. Not American 6. European 7. Known for political/military deeds 8. Not from the UK 9. Died before 1900 10. Known mostly for political 11. Native speaker of a Romance language 12. Born south of Vienna 13. Born west of Vienna 14. Italian 15. First name begins with C ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2017/800196/102 "2017-11-05T22:43:35Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > IQ: Are you the illegitimate son of Pope Alexander VI? I am not Cesare Borgia. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2017/800196/103 "2017-11-05T23:51:36Z")
Dang, I was sure that was it. IQ: Did Marc Antony order your hands cut from your body so you could no longer criticize him in writing? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2017/800196/104 "2017-11-06T03:05:48Z")
Previous IQs: Did the Musgraves not know they had your crown? - King Charles I (from the Sherlock Holmes story, “The Musgrave Ritual”) Did one of your lovers tell a jeering crowd she was “the Protestant whore”? - Charles II Did you choose between Kerslake and Gould for Prime Minister? - Charles III (in Jeffrey Archer’s _First Among Equals_) Charles x3! DQs: Help a top government post? Died violently? Considered, these days, a “good guy”? IQs: Were you one of the “bad Popes”? Were you British Foreign Secretary at the outbreak of the Falklands War? Were you Nelson’s #2 guy at Trafalgar? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2017/800196/105 "2017-11-06T14:52:55Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Dang, I was sure that was it. > > IQ: Did Marc Antony order your hands cut from your body so you could no longer criticize him in writing? Take a DQ. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2017/800196/106 "2017-11-06T14:57:47Z")
DQs: 1. Real 2. Male 3. Dead 4. Not known for the Arts 5. Not American 6. European 7. Known for political/military deeds 8. Not from the UK 9. Died before 1900 10. Known mostly for political 11. Native speaker of a Romance language 12. Born south of Vienna 13. Born west of Vienna 14. Italian 15. First name begins with C 16. Did not hold a top government post 17. Did not die violently 18. Too complicated a person to class as a “good guy” or “bad guy” ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2017/800196/107 "2017-11-06T14:58:48Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > ? > > IQs: > > Were you one of the “bad Popes”? > Were you British Foreign Secretary at the outbreak of the Falklands War? > Were you Nelson’s #2 guy at Trafalgar? 1. I am not Clement VII. Take 2 DQs. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2017/800196/108 "2017-11-06T17:40:33Z")
IQ1: Is a country named after you despite it not being the one you are most commonly associated with? IQ2: Did you give a political position to an animal? IQ3: Have you been played on screen by Derek Jacobi? Rules question: is it permissible to simply guess at the identity of the mystery person (i.e. I have someone in mind, but without research I don’t know enough about them to frame a sensible IQ)? If so, should this be done as a DQ? ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2017/800196/109 "2017-11-06T17:58:35Z")
I don’t see anything wrong with doing enough research to ask the IQ. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2017/800196/110 "2017-11-06T18:48:20Z")
> [@Dead\_Cat](#): > > IQ1: Is a country named after you despite it not being the one you are most commonly associated with? > IQ2: Did you give a political position to an animal? > IQ3: Have you been played on screen by Derek Jacobi? > > Rules question: is it permissible to simply guess at the identity of the mystery person (i.e. I have someone in mind, but without research I don’t know enough about them to frame a sensible IQ)? If so, should this be done as a DQ? 1. I am not Christopher Columbus. Take 2 DQs for the others. Yes, it’s permissible to guess the person’s name as an IQ. It’s been done before. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2017/800196/111 "2017-11-06T19:47:43Z")
**DC** , you can guess the person’s name as an IQ, but it’s better (and much more common) to phrase it as an IQ. That way, if the mystery person isn’t the one you’re thinking of but the gamemaster doesn’t know the answer to your IQ, you’ll have earned a DQ. We customarily don’t ask a particular name outright until after all 20 DQs have been asked and answered, when everyone then gets a “Are you Firstname Lastname?” question. **KO** , doing research in order to ask an IQ has always been against the rules. You should know enough about any person who’s the subject of an IQ to be able to phrase the question without doing research. Previous IQs: Were you one of the “bad Popes”? - Clement VII it is Were you British Foreign Secretary at the outbreak of the Falklands War? - Lord Carrington Were you Nelson’s #2 guy at Trafalgar? - Adm. Cuthbert Collingwood DQs: Did you hold a top religious post? One DQ reserved. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2017/800196/112 "2017-11-06T20:14:14Z")
DQs: 1. Real 2. Male 3. Dead 4. Not known for the Arts 5. Not American 6. European 7. Known for political/military deeds 8. Not from the UK 9. Died before 1900 10. Known mostly for political 11. Native speaker of a Romance language 12. Born south of Vienna 13. Born west of Vienna 14. Italian 15. First name begins with C 16. Did not hold a top government post 17. Did not die violently 18. Too complicated a person to class as a “good guy” or “bad guy” 19. Did not hold a top religious post ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2017/800196/113 "2017-11-06T22:49:58Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Take a DQ. Cicero DQ: Royalty? holding a DQ ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2017/800196/114 "2017-11-06T23:07:31Z")
DQs: 1. Real 2. Male 3. Dead 4. Not known for the Arts 5. Not American 6. European 7. Known for political/military deeds 8. Not from the UK 9. Died before 1900 10. Known mostly for political and financial dealings 11. Native speaker of a Romance language 12. Born south of Vienna 13. Born west of Vienna 14. Italian 15. First name begins with C 16. Did not hold a top government post 17. Did not die violently 18. Too complicated a person to class as a “good guy” or “bad guy” 19. Did not hold a top religious post 20. Of the nobility, but not royalty. See the addendum to #10. Anyone with outstanding DQ’s may use them now, or you can just guess if you’ve earned at least one DQ in the game. ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2017/800196/115 "2017-11-06T23:53:12Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > **DC** , you can guess the person’s name as an IQ, but it’s better (and much more common) to phrase it as an IQ. That way, if the mystery person isn’t the one you’re thinking of but the gamemaster doesn’t know the answer to your IQ, you’ll have earned a DQ. We customarily don’t ask a particular name outright until after all 20 DQs have been asked and answered, when everyone then gets a “Are you Firstname Lastname?” question. A couple years back the Prof was hosting a game. I thought I knew who the person was, but didn’t know enough about her to ask a proper IQ – so I finally asked, “Are your initials E St V M?” Turned out I was right… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2017/800196/116 "2017-11-06T23:54:36Z")
Oh, what the heck. DQ: Are you Cosimo de’ Medici? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2017/800196/117 "2017-11-07T00:09:10Z")
> [@SCAdian](#): > > Oh, what the heck. > > DQ: Are you Cosimo de’ Medici? Of course. Hai fatto bene, SCA! ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2017/800196/118 "2017-11-07T14:56:45Z")
> [@SCAdian](#): > > A couple years back the Prof was hosting a game. I thought I knew who the person was, but didn’t know enough about her to ask a proper IQ – so I finally asked, “Are your initials E St V M?” Turned out I was right… 🙂 Not a bad work-around… And _bella, bella_, **SCA**! ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2017/800196/119 "2017-11-07T18:30:28Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > 1. I am not Christopher Columbus. > Take 2 DQs for the others. > > Yes, it’s permissible to guess the person’s name as an IQ. It’s been done before. Thanks all. Columbus was correct - my other two were emperors Caligula (reputedly made a horse a senator) and Claudius (of “I, Claudius” fame - or apparently not, it is a British show after all). ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2017/800196/120 "2017-11-07T23:05:37Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > See the addendum to #10. Never would have thought of him without that… 🙂 I am now (much to everyone’s surprise, I’m sure) **D**. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2017/800196.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2017/800196.md?page=7)