# Botticelli - November 2023

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551>\
**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [November 3, 2023, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551 "2023-11-03T23:20:40Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 28, 2023, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/181 "2023-11-28T20:24:04Z")

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Oops, I’d missed the “Living” answer. “Born before 1980” had already been asked - may I have another DQ, or if not, strike answer 14, please?

Previous IQs:

Were you stabbed to death in your bath? - Yes, Marat  
Did you say, late in life, “I am always learning”? - Michelangelo  
Did you write and illustrate _Don’t Let the Pigeon Drive the Bus_? - Yes, the delightful Mo Willems

One (maybe two?) DQs reserved.

IQs:

Did Dustin Hoffman play you in a movie with Natalie Portman?  
Were you a manic, fast-talking, occasional comic visitor to NPR shows like _All Things Considered_ in the late Eighties?  
Were you the title character in the Sherlock Holmes story “The Greek Interpreter”?

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/182 "2023-11-29T01:07:43Z")

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**M**

1. Real
2. Male
3. Last name starts with M
4. Living
5. Not American
6. First name starts with A-M
7. Not best known for politics/military
8. European
9. Born before 1980
10. Mother tongue is not English
11. Known for the arts
12. Best known for the performing arts, but not as a performer
13. Not considered handsome, at least not in my opinion

Eliminating #14 as it was a duplicate of #9

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/183 "2023-11-29T01:09:39Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
>
> may I have another DQ, or if not, strike answer 14, please?

Sure. I missed that I’d already answered the revised version of the question. You still have 2 DQs.

> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
>
> Did Dustin Hoffman play you in a movie with Natalie Portman?  
> Were you a manic, fast-talking, occasional comic visitor to NPR shows like _All Things Considered_ in the late Eighties?  
> Were you the title character in the Sherlock Holmes story “The Greek Interpreter”?

Not Mr. Magorium  
2 more DQs

> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#):
>
> 1. Did you originate both the roles of Peter Pan and Maria Von Trapp on Broadway?
> 2. Despite your fame as a comedian, comic actor, and writer, is your true passion banjo music?
> 3. Are you a gender-fluid Canadian actor now, resident in the UK, who wrote and starred in the series _Feel Good_, opposite Charlotte Ritchie and Lisa Kudrow?

DQ  
Not Steve Martin  
DQ

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**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\
**Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/184 "2023-11-29T13:35:40Z")

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> [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#):
>
> > [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#):
> >
> > 1. Did you originate both the roles of Peter Pan and Maria Von Trapp on Broadway?
> > 2. Despite your fame as a comedian, comic actor, and writer, is your true passion banjo music?
> > 3. Are you a gender-fluid Canadian actor now, resident in the UK, who wrote and starred in the series _Feel Good_, opposite Charlotte Ritchie and Lisa Kudrow?
> 
> DQ  
> Not Steve Martin  
> DQ

1 was Mary Martin, 2 was indeed Steve Martin, and 3 was comedian Mae Martin. Martins, all the way down! I considered finishing it up with an IQ about an 18th c. Gaelic writer called Martin Martin, who published a description of the Outer Hebrides in 1703, but figured he was a bit too obscure, even for the SDMB.

DQs:

1. Works in the music industry?
2. Media creator (i.e., director, producer, content creator)?

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/185 "2023-11-29T13:48:08Z")

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IQs:

1. Were you half a comedy duo who greeted people with “Hello, dere!”
2. Did you star in the underrated movie _Serial_?
3. Did you write the scripts for the highly acclaimed stomach-flutting, windmill-scented 1950’s BBC radio series _The Goon Show_?

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/186 "2023-11-29T17:33:04Z")

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**M**

1. Real
2. Male
3. Last name starts with M
4. Living
5. Not American
6. First name starts with A-M
7. Not best known for politics/military
8. European
9. Born before 1980
10. Mother tongue is not English
11. Known for the arts
12. Best known for the performing arts, but not as a performer
13. Not considered handsome, at least not in my opinion
14. Works in the music industry
15. Media creator (i.e., director, producer, content creator)

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/187 "2023-11-29T17:34:01Z")

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> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#):
>
> 1. Were you half a comedy duo who greeted people with “Hello, dere!”
> 2. Did you star in the underrated movie _Serial_?
> 3. Did you write the scripts for the highly acclaimed stomach-flutting, windmill-scented 1950’s BBC radio series _The Goon Show_?

2 DQs  
Not Spike Mulligan? - I’m slowly learning from these games

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**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\
**Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/188 "2023-11-29T19:07:30Z")

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IQs:

1. Did your mother Pasiphaë’s kinky fetish result in your birth?

2. Were you a popular liberal Texas political commentator and editorialist?

3. Were you the second-greatest basketball player to come from Wilmington, North Carolina?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/189 "2023-11-29T21:15:07Z")

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Previous IQs:

Did Dustin Hoffman play you in a movie with Natalie Portman? - Yes, the title character of _Mr. Magorium’s Wonder Emporium_  
Were you a manic, fast-talking, occasional comic visitor to NPR shows like _All Things Considered_ in the late Eighties? - Moe Moskowitz  
Were you the title character in the Sherlock Holmes story “The Greek Interpreter”? - Mr. Melas

DQs:

Greatest fame before 2000?  
Best known for rock music?

One DQ reserved.

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/190 "2023-11-29T21:38:33Z")

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**M**

1. Real
2. Male
3. Last name starts with M
4. Living
5. Not American
6. First name starts with A-M
7. Not best known for politics/military
8. European
9. Born before 1980
10. Mother tongue is not English
11. Known for the arts
12. Best known for the performing arts, but not as a performer
13. Not considered handsome, at least not in my opinion
14. Works in the music industry
15. Media creator (i.e., director, producer, content creator)
16. Greatest fame after 2000
17. Not best known for rock music

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/191 "2023-11-29T21:39:12Z")

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> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#):
>
> 1. Did your mother Pasiphaë’s kinky fetish result in your birth?
> 2. Were you a popular liberal Texas political commentator and editorialist?
> 3. Were you the second-greatest basketball player to come from Wilmington, North Carolina?

Not the Minotaur  
Not Molly Ivens  
DQ

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**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\
**Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/192 "2023-11-29T22:02:27Z")

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> [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#):
>
> > [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#):
> >
> > 1. Did your mother Pasiphaë’s kinky fetish result in your birth?
> > 2. Were you a popular liberal Texas political commentator and editorialist?
> > 3. Were you the second-greatest basketball player to come from Wilmington, North Carolina
> 
> Not the Minotaur  
> Not Molly Ivens  
> DQ

Correct on the first two. 3 was Meadowlark Lemon.

DQ: Songwriter?

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/193 "2023-11-29T22:15:15Z")

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**M**

1. Real
2. Male
3. Last name starts with M
4. Living
5. Not American
6. First name starts with A-M
7. Not best known for politics/military
8. European
9. Born before 1980
10. Mother tongue is not English
11. Known for the arts
12. Best known for the performing arts, but not as a performer
13. Not considered handsome, at least not in my opinion
14. Works in the music industry
15. Media creator (i.e., director, producer, content creator)
16. Greatest fame after 2000
17. Not best known for rock music
18. Songwriter

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**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\
**Post date:** [November 30, 2023, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/194 "2023-11-30T01:24:40Z")

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IQs:

1. If you can’t come to the mountains, do they come to you?

2. According to Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman, were you actually the Archangel Gabriel, living on earth under an assumed name and posing as a jazz musician?

3. Were you a Broadway and film actor with an oddly numeric name, who originated the roles of Max Bialystock in _The Producers_ and Pseudolus in _A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum_?

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [November 30, 2023, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/195 "2023-11-30T14:01:10Z")

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> [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#):
>
> > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#):
> >
> > 1. Were you half a comedy duo who greeted people with “Hello, dere!”
> > 2. Did you star in the underrated movie _Serial_?
> > 3. Did you write the scripts for the highly acclaimed stomach-flutting, windmill-scented 1950’s BBC radio series _The Goon Show_?
> 
> 2 DQs  
> Not Spike Mulligan? - I’m slowly learning from these games

#1 was Marty Allen.  
#2 was Martin Mull.  
#3 was Spike M **i** lligan, close 'nuff.

DQs:

1. Born before 1960?
2. Native speaker of a Romance language?

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/196 "2023-12-01T02:31:33Z")

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**M**

1. Real
2. Male
3. Last name starts with M
4. Living
5. Not American
6. First name starts with A-M
7. Not best known for politics/military
8. European
9. Born before 1980
10. Mother tongue is not English, although does speak English
11. Known for the arts
12. Best known for the performing arts, but not as a performer
13. Not considered handsome, at least not in my opinion
14. Works in the music industry
15. Media creator (i.e., director, producer, content creator)
16. Greatest fame after 2000
17. Not best known for rock music
18. Songwriter
19. Born after 1960
20. Not a native speaker of a Romance language

I amended #10. Certainly does speak English, but not as his mother tongue.

And that is 20, so no more IQs please.  
Ask any remaining DQs (I’m about to hand out some more) by 11:59 pm PST, Friday Dec. 1

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/197 "2023-12-01T02:32:33Z")

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> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#):
>
> 1. If you can’t come to the mountains, do they come to you?
> 2. According to Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman, were you actually the Archangel Gabriel, living on earth under an assumed name and posing as a jazz musician?
> 3. Were you a Broadway and film actor with an oddly numeric name, who originated the roles of Max Bialystock in _The Producers_ and Pseudolus in _A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum_?

DQ  
DQ - I know it’s from Good Omens, but I read it a long time ago  
Not Zero Mostel

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**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\
**Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/198 "2023-12-01T02:42:10Z")

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> [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#):
>
> > [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#):
> >
> > 1. If you can’t come to the mountains, do they come to you?
> > 2. According to Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman, were you actually the Archangel Gabriel, living on earth under an assumed name and posing as a jazz musician?
> > 3. Were you a Broadway and film actor with an oddly numeric name, who originated the roles of Max Bialystock in _The Producers_ and Pseudolus in _A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum_?
> 
> DQ  
> DQ I know it’s from Good Omens, but I read it a long time ago  
> Not Zero Mostel

1 is Muhammad - the proverb goes, “If Muhammad can’t come to the mountain, then the mountain must come to Muhammad.” 2 was Miles Davis - the Archangel Gabriel is associated with trumpets. 3 was indeed Zero Mostel.

DQs:

1. Known for metal music?
2. Native speaker of a Germanic tongue (i.e., German, Icelandic, Dutch, Norwegian, etc.?)

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/199 "2023-12-01T02:45:48Z")

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**M**

1. Real
2. Male
3. Last name starts with M
4. Living
5. Not American
6. First name starts with A-M
7. Not best known for politics/military
8. European
9. Born before 1980
10. Mother tongue is not English, although does speak English
11. Known for the arts
12. Best known for the performing arts, but not as a performer
13. Not considered handsome, at least not in my opinion
14. Works in the music industry
15. Media creator (i.e., director, producer, content creator)
16. Greatest fame after 2000
17. Not best known for rock music
18. Songwriter
19. Born after 1960
20. Not a native speaker of a Romance language
21. Definitely not known for metal music
22. Native speaker of a Germanic tongue (i.e., German, Icelandic, Dutch, Norwegian, etc.?)

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**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\
**Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/200 "2023-12-01T14:37:15Z")

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Okay, guys, I think this one is up to one of y’all. As far as I can guess, it’s a German-speaking classical music composer, but the most recent Germanic composer I can think of is Gustav Mahler, and he’s been dead for over a century. I got nuthin’.

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