# Botticelli - November 2023

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551>\
**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [November 3, 2023, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551 "2023-11-03T23:20:40Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
**Page:** 5

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/81 "2023-11-16T01:35:50Z")

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**S**

1. Real
2. Male
3. Dead
4. Not American
5. Last name starts with S
6. Best known for the Arts, in a way
7. Caucasian
8. Died before 1900
9. Died after 1700
10. European
11. Known for music
12. Not best known as a singer
13. Not best known as a solo musician
14. Not from the British Isles
15. Not best known as an instrumentalist
16. Did not win a top music award
17. Mother tongue was not English

@Elendil_s_Heir - In light of #8 (died before 1900) do you still want to ask “Greatest fame before 1980”?

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/82 "2023-11-16T01:37:03Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Were you a hardboiled private eye?  
> Did Pittsburgh Pirates player Phil Garner capitalize on his resemblance to you?  
> Were you a good-humored African star of Richmond FC?

Not Sam Spade  
Not Yosemite Sam  
DQ

> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#):
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> 1. Were you chief of the tigers, and principal antagonist to the man-cub?
> 2. Are you a singer with a truthful pelvis?
> 3. Are you good enough, strong enough, and doggone it, people like you?

Not Shere Khan  
DQ  
Not Stuart Smalley

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**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/83 "2023-11-16T03:24:01Z")

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> [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#):
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> > [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#):
> >
> > 1. Were you chief of the tigers, and principal antagonist to the man-cub?
> > 2. Are you a singer with a truthful pelvis?
> > 3. Are you good enough, strong enough, and doggone it, people like you?
> 
> Not Shere Khan  
> DQ  
> Not Stuart Smalley

Went two-for-three on me again! The singer with the veracious pelvis is of course [Shakira.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DUT5rEU6pqM&pp=ygUOaGlwcyBkb24ndCBsaWU%3D)

DQ: First name starts with A - M?

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/84 "2023-11-16T12:55:05Z")

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> [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#):
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> > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#):
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> > 1. Are you a mean ol’ puddy tat?
> > 2. Are you a title character in a song on Cher’s new album?
> > 3. Are Brad and Janet on their way to see you when their car breaks down in the rain?
> 
> Not Sylvester  
> DQ  
> Not Dr. Everett Scott 🧻

Correct.  
Cher has a Christmas album out, the song is _Santa Baby_.  
Correct.

DQ: Known from a song about him?

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/85 "2023-11-16T14:39:06Z")

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IQs:

1. Did you compose _The Firebird Suite_?
2. Did you compose _The Carnival of the Animals_?
3. Did you compose _Finlandia_?

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/86 "2023-11-16T19:26:48Z")

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**S**

1. Real
2. Male
3. Dead
4. Not American
5. Last name starts with S
6. Best known for the Arts, in a way
7. Caucasian
8. Died before 1900
9. Died after 1700
10. European
11. Known for music
12. Not best known as a singer
13. Not best known as a solo musician
14. Not from the British Isles
15. Not best known as an instrumentalist
16. Did not win a top music award
17. Mother tongue was not English
18. First name starts with A - M
19. Not known from a song about him, although researching this question indicates songs and poem about him do exist. None are well known.

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/87 "2023-11-16T19:29:53Z")

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> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#):
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> 1. Did you compose _The Firebird Suite_?
> 2. Did you compose _The Carnival of the Animals_?
> 3. Did you compose _Finlandia_?

Not Stravinsky  
Not … I can never remember this one… it’s Camille St. something - Take a DQ  
Another DQ

That puts us over 20 DQs, so no more IQs please.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/88 "2023-11-16T19:57:57Z")

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> [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#):
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> @Elendil_s_Heir - In light of #8 (died before 1900) do you still want to ask “Greatest fame before 1980”?

D’oh! Yes. Note to self: read for comprehension.

Previous IQs:

Were you a hardboiled private eye? - Yes, Sam Spade  
Did Pittsburgh Pirates player Phil Garner capitalize on his resemblance to you? - Yes, Yosemite Sam  
Were you a good-humored African star of Richmond FC? - Sam Obisanya, in _Ted Lasso_

Sam x3!

DQs:

Best known as a composer?  
Died before 1800?

One DQ reserved.

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/89 "2023-11-16T20:30:00Z")

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**S**

1. Real
2. Male
3. Dead
4. Not American
5. Last name starts with S
6. Best known for the Arts, in a way
7. Caucasian
8. Died before 1900
9. Died after 1700
10. European
11. Known for music
12. Not best known as a singer
13. Not best known as a solo musician
14. Not from the British Isles
15. Not best known as an instrumentalist
16. Did not win a top music award
17. Mother tongue was not English
18. First name starts with A - M
19. Not known from a song about him, although researching this question indicates songs and poems about him do exist. None are well known.
20. Not best known as a composer
21. Died before 1800

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/90 "2023-11-16T21:04:57Z")

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> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#):
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> - Did you compose _The Firebird Suite_?
> - Did you compose _The Carnival of the Animals_?
> - Did you compose _Finlandia_?

#1 is Correct.  
#2 was Camille Ste.-Saens.  
#3 was Jan Sibelius.

DQ: Native speaker of a Romance language?

1 DQ reserved.

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**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/91 "2023-11-16T21:14:04Z")

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I think I might have it. I’ll wait 'til all DQs are asked and answered before asking my Firstname-lastname.

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/92 "2023-11-16T21:21:25Z")

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**S**

1. Real
2. Male
3. Dead
4. Not American
5. Last name starts with S
6. Best known for the Arts, in a way
7. Caucasian
8. Died before 1900
9. Died after 1700
10. European
11. Known for music
12. Not best known as a singer
13. Not best known as a solo musician
14. Not from the British Isles
15. Not best known as an instrumentalist
16. Did not win a top music award
17. Mother tongue was not English
18. First name starts with A - M
19. Not known from a song about him, although researching this question indicates songs and poems about him do exist. None are well known.
20. Not best known as a composer
21. Died before 1800
22. Native speaker of a Romance language

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/93 "2023-11-16T21:38:08Z")

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Can’t figure out who this is - thought for _sure_ it would be a composer (I was thinking Salieri, Schubert, Schumann, etc.). Ah, well. I yield my remaining earned DQ to whoever would like to use it.

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**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/94 "2023-11-16T21:47:29Z")

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Point of order: can you use a DQ to ask a question that specifically identifies the subject, but not in a firstname-lastname format? E.g., if you know the answer is “Bruce Wayne”, can you ask “Are you a billionaire who fights crime dressed as a bat”?

ETA: Withdrawn. That’s clearly an IQ.

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/95 "2023-11-16T22:26:21Z")

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**Chock** didn’t say he wasn’t a composer, he said he wasn’t BEST KNOWN as a composer.

DQ: Italian?

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/96 "2023-11-16T22:27:09Z")

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> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#):
>
> Point of order: can you use a DQ to ask a question that specifically identifies the subject, but not in a firstname-lastname format? E.g., if you know the answer is “Bruce Wayne”, can you ask “Are you a billionaire who fights crime dressed as a bat”?
> 
> ETA: Withdrawn. That’s clearly an IQ.

You can definitely do that. I’ve done that.

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**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/97 "2023-11-16T22:30:33Z")

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Okay, there aren’t any more DQs, and I think you have it too, so Imma use my firstname-lastname:

Are you master luthier Antonio Stradivari, known as Stradivarius?

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/98 "2023-11-16T23:47:29Z")

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> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#):
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> Are you master luthier Antonio Stradivari, known as Stradivarius?

Ding! Ding! Ding!  
**YES!!!** I am **Antonio Stradivari**

> **[Antonio Stradivari](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Stradivari)**
>
> Antonio Stradivari (/ˌstrædɪˈvɑːri/, also US: /-ˈvɛəri/, .mw-parser-output .IPA-label-small{font-size:85%}.mw-parser-output .references .IPA-label-small,.mw-parser-output .infobox .IPA-label-small,.mw-parser-output .navbox .IPA-label-small{font-size:100%}Italian: \[anˈtɔːnjo stradiˈvaːri\]; c. 1644 – 18 December 1737) was an Italian luthier and a craftsman of string instruments such as violins, cellos, guitars, violas and harps. The Latinized form of his surname, Stradivarius, as well a Antonio S...

Well done!!

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/99 "2023-11-17T13:16:46Z")

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Nicely done, **SMV**!

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-november-2023/992551/100 "2023-11-17T17:45:05Z")

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Good one, and well done, **SMV**!

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