# Botticelli - Oct. 2020 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [October 5, 2020, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-oct-2020/922262 "2020-10-05T13:57:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![De\_La\_Rue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@De\_La\_Rue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/De_La_Rue)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-oct-2020/922262/401 "2020-10-27T20:41:12Z")
> [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#): > > Not James Whale > Not Planet Schmanet Janet Weiss > Aargh! Take a DQ. 3 was W.W. Jacobs. One DQ reserved. IQs: 1. Were you represented in a legal case against the Devil by Daniel Webster? 2. Did your husband enjoy steak cut in the shape of Texas? 3. Are you not bad–you’re just drawn that way? ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-oct-2020/922262/402 "2020-10-27T20:49:03Z")
> [@MissTake](#): > > 1. Are you a modern abstract artist with a penchant for American flags? > 2. Are you an author known for your _Prey_ series? > 3. Did you head up CCR? Not Jasper Johns Take a DQ Not John Fogerty > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > 1. Did you always have to ask your husband for help with the Beaver? > 2. Did you have a hit with _Call Me Maybe_ ? > 3. Did you write _Born Free_ ? Not June Cleaver Not Carly Rae Jepson Not Joy Adamson > [@De\_La\_Rue](#): > > 1. Were you represented in a legal case against the Devil by Daniel Webster? > 2. Did your husband enjoy steak cut in the shape of Texas? > 3. Are you not bad–you’re just drawn that way? Take a DQ Not Lady Bird Johnson? - you can probably take another DQ Not Jessica Rabbit DQs: 1. Male 2. Real 3. Last name does not start with J 4. Living 5. Not born after 1950 6. Known for the Arts 7. Caucasian 8. Not an actor 9. American 10. Not known for the Performing Arts 11. Known for the visual arts (painting, sculpture, fashion design, architecture, etc., but not including writing) - I would define the artform as a visual art. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-oct-2020/922262/403 "2020-10-27T21:13:13Z")
Swept me! IQs: 1. Are you the Libertarian candidate for POTUS? 2. Did you have a radio show with your wife, Mary Livingstone? 3. Did you have a blog in which you shared your attempts to cook all of Julia Child’s recipes in a year? ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-oct-2020/922262/404 "2020-10-27T21:28:33Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > IQs: > > 1. Are you the Libertarian candidate for POTUS? > 2. Did you have a radio show with your wife, Mary Livingstone? > 3. Did you have a blog in which you shared your attempts to cook all of Julia Child’s recipes in a year? Not Jo Jorgenson Take a DQ Take a DQ - I remember her first name is Julie from the “Julie & Julia” movie with Meryl Streep and Amy Adams, but don’t actually remember her full name. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-oct-2020/922262/405 "2020-10-27T21:31:05Z")
Correct on #1. #2 was Jack Benny. #3 is Julie Powell. DQs: 1. Known for writing? 2. First name starts with a J? ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-oct-2020/922262/406 "2020-10-27T22:18:34Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > First name starts with a J? DQ 3 says last name does not start with J ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-oct-2020/922262/407 "2020-10-27T22:37:12Z")
Yeah, but it might be a middle name. ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-oct-2020/922262/408 "2020-10-27T23:35:36Z")
DQs: 1. Male 2. Real 3. Last name does not start with J 4. Living 5. Not born after 1950 6. Known for the Arts 7. Caucasian 8. Not an actor 9. American 10. Not known for the Performing Arts 11. Known for the visual arts (painting, sculpture, fashion design, architecture, etc., but not including writing) - I would define the artform as a visual art. 12. Known for writing, although not primarily known for writing 13. First name starts with a J ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-oct-2020/922262/409 "2020-10-28T01:57:40Z")
DQ: Illustrator? holding a DQ ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-oct-2020/922262/410 "2020-10-28T03:05:53Z")
Previous IQs: Did a shipmate name his daughter after you? - James T. Kirk and Jamie Finney Are you the best-known person from Scranton, Pa.? - Yes, Joe Biden Are you the best-known jurist from Buffalo, N.Y.? - John Roberts, Chief Justice of the United States DQs: Has won a top award in his field? Greatest fame before 1980? One DQ reserved. IQs: Does a painting of you in red robes hang in the U.S. Supreme Court building? Is there now a campaign to rename a school in Cleveland that’s named after you? Were you the plaintiff in a key case on attorney advertising in the U.S.? ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-oct-2020/922262/411 "2020-10-28T04:30:08Z")
DQs: 1. Male 2. Real 3. Last name does not start with J 4. Living 5. Not born after 1950 6. Known for the Arts 7. Caucasian 8. Not an actor 9. American 10. Not known for the Performing Arts 11. Known for the visual arts (painting, sculpture, fashion design, architecture, etc., but not including writing) - I would define the artform as a visual art. 12. Known for writing, although not primarily known for writing 13. First name starts with a J 14. Not an illustrator 15. Have won a prestigious award in my field, although not necessarily what one thinks of when they say “top” award. 16. I would say greatest fame after 1980, although the artwork that put me on the map, and will most likely be mentioned in the first sentence of my obituary, appeared before 1980. ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-oct-2020/922262/412 "2020-10-28T04:33:26Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > IQs: > > Does a painting of you in red robes hang in the U.S. Supreme Court building? > Is there now a campaign to rename a school in Cleveland that’s named after you? > Were you the plaintiff in a key case on attorney advertising in the U.S.? Dunno, Not Chief Justice John Marshall, Dunno ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-oct-2020/922262/413 "2020-10-28T12:40:07Z")
Previous IQs: Does a painting of you in red robes hang in the U.S. Supreme Court building? - The late Chief Justice John Jay: [John Jay - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay#/media/File:Gilbert_Stuart,_John_Jay,_1794,_NGA_75023.jpg) Is there now a campaign to rename a school in Cleveland that’s named after you? - Yes, Chief Justice John Marshall (the Cleveland State U. law school is named after him; he’s being attacked as a slaveholder) Were you the plaintiff in a key case on attorney advertising in the U.S.? - John Bates, in _Bates v. Arizona_ John x3! DQs: Cartoonist? Still working in the field? One DQ reserved. IQs: Did you share one name but all three initials of someone whose high office you later sought? Were you one of Lincoln’s two top White House aides? Were you the other, younger one? ---
**Author:** ![MissTake](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misstake/32/3189_2.png) [@MissTake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MissTake)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-oct-2020/922262/414 "2020-10-28T13:50:50Z")
> [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#): > > Not Jasper Johns > Take a DQ > Not John Fogerty Yes, John Sanford, yes. DQ Reserved ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-oct-2020/922262/415 "2020-10-28T17:26:19Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Did you share one name but all three initials of someone whose high office you later sought? > Were you one of Lincoln’s two top White House aides? > Were you the other, younger one? Take 3 more DQs DQs: 1. Male 2. Real 3. Last name does not start with J 4. Living 5. Not born after 1950 6. Known for the Arts 7. Caucasian 8. Not an actor 9. American 10. Not known for the Performing Arts 11. Known for the visual arts (painting, sculpture, fashion design, architecture, etc., but not including writing) - I would define the artform as a visual art. 12. Known for writing, although not primarily known for writing 13. First name starts with a J 14. Not an illustrator 15. Have won a prestigious award in my field, although not necessarily what one thinks of when they say “top” award. 16. I would say greatest fame after 1980, although the work that put me on the map, and will most likely be mentioned in the first sentence of my obituary, appeared before 1980. 17. Not a cartoonist 18. Semi-retired. Still infrequently working in the field. I’m going to revisit #10. There seems to be some debate as whether or not this field is considered a performing art, depending on the definition of “performing art”. I’ve checked with online references and a few art museum websites. Some say yes it is, most say no it isn’t, some say it’s a hybrid of performing and visual and belongs in its own box. I would say my subject’s role within the field falls squarely in the non-performing area. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-oct-2020/922262/416 "2020-10-28T18:37:18Z")
I’m confused about hybrid of performing and visual arts that may be displayed in museums. That could be a DJ with a light show, a tour guide who wears fancy clothing, a drag queen, or a nihilist expressionist who was profiled in the New Yorker. Maybe this will narrow it down DQ: Considered a cultural icon? ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-oct-2020/922262/417 "2020-10-28T18:49:15Z")
I think my clarification made things worse. If you go by a strict definition of performing art being something performed in front of an audience, traditionally broken down as music, dance and theatre, then no, not known for performing arts. If you go by the definition of visual art being something created to be viewed by an audience at a later time, then yes, known for visual arts. If one captures performances for later viewing, some artsy people consider it both. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-oct-2020/922262/418 "2020-10-28T20:27:11Z")
In other words, he may be a movie or TV director or producer. Or cameraman. ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-oct-2020/922262/419 "2020-10-28T21:04:06Z")
Correct. ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-oct-2020/922262/420 "2020-10-28T21:09:52Z")
Missed the last DQ DQs: 1. Male 2. Real 3. Last name does not start with J 4. Living 5. Not born after 1950 6. Known for the Arts 7. Caucasian 8. Not an actor 9. American 10. Not known for the Performing Arts 11. Known for the visual arts (painting, sculpture, fashion design, architecture, etc., but not including writing) - I would define the artform as a visual art. 12. Known for writing, although not primarily known for writing 13. First name starts with a J 14. Not an illustrator 15. Have won a prestigious award in my field, although not necessarily what one thinks of when they say “top” award. 16. I would say greatest fame after 1980, although the work that put me on the map, and will most likely be mentioned in the first sentence of my obituary, appeared before 1980. 17. Not a cartoonist 18. Semi-retired. Still infrequently working in the field. 19. Considered a cultural icon within his niche. Given that I was clear as mud, I’ll keep IQs and DQs open until we hit 25. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-oct-2020/922262.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-oct-2020/922262.md?page=22)