# Botticelli October 2011 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [October 3, 2011, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437 "2011-10-03T15:23:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![AppallingGael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@AppallingGael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AppallingGael)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/261 "2011-10-21T17:51:01Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > DQ1: Did you regard the Romans as an enemy? > > DQ2: Were you a prominent general or warrior? > > DQ3: Have you every been the subject of a Hollywood movie? 1. Real 2. Male 3. Not American 4. First name begins with “C” 5. Dead 6. European 7. Not born in the 20th century 8. Not from a Romance-language country 9. Not born between 1700-1900 10. Not known as any kind of artist 11. Born in the BC era 12. Known for political or military deeds 13. Not a scientist or intellectual 14. Not Greek 15. Not Roman 16. A royal or an aristocrat 17. Not Asian 18. Had my ups and downs with the Romans 19. A prominent general or warrior 20. Have not entirely escaped Hollywood’s attention ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/262 "2011-10-21T17:52:05Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > IQ: Were you a Roman emperor who allegedly made his horse a consul of the Empire? > > IQ: Did you figure out a cheap way to extract aluminum and then go on to found ALCOA? > > IQ: Were you a Fifties Bostonian doctor to be reckoned with? Correct as to Caligula. Charles Martin Hall is the founder of ALCOA. Charles Emerson Winchester is the Boston doc, from _M_A_S_H\*. I’ll reserve my DQs for a moment. I don’t think the Asian question should be counted among our twenty DQs; you already said he’s European. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/263 "2011-10-21T19:06:31Z")
Did the hero/inventor of “Chitty Chitty Bang Bang” share your name? ---
**Author:** ![AppallingGael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@AppallingGael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AppallingGael)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/264 "2011-10-21T20:10:58Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I’ll reserve my DQs for a moment. I don’t think the Asian question should be counted among our twenty DQs; you already said he’s European. True, and it was pretty clear he was not a Roman from #8. ---
**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/265 "2011-10-21T20:24:56Z")
> [@Sternvogel](#): > > IQ: Were you originally known as Krekor Ohanian? > > IQ: Are you an actor whose name was the same as that of a wide receiver for the Cleveland Browns? > > IQ: Are you often cited as the quintessential TV character who was written out of a sitcom after other members of the cast quickly overshadowed you? > [@AppallingGael](#): > > Krekor Ohanian…I feel I should be looking for Craig the swarthy actor with the bland Englishy surname…but nothing is coming. Daniel Craig; best I can do. > > I am not coming up with the actor/receiver. Correct on Chuck. Krekor Ohanian became Touch Connors, then adopted the first name of Mike before starring in _Mannix_. Gary Collins was the name shared by the actor and receiver. DQ’s (if I still have the opportunity to ask): 1. Were you considered a barbarian? 2. Were you from Scandinavia? ---
**Author:** ![AppallingGael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@AppallingGael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AppallingGael)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/266 "2011-10-21T20:42:01Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > Did the hero/inventor of “Chitty Chitty Bang Bang” share your name? I know Ian Fleming and Dick Van Dyke, but not the character. Ask a DQ. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/267 "2011-10-21T20:54:41Z")
Dick van Dyke played Caractacus Potts in _ **Chitty Chitty Bang Bang** _. Caractus was a royal/warrior who battled the Romans in what’s now Britain. If it wasn’t him… I got nuthin’ ---
**Author:** ![AppallingGael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@AppallingGael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AppallingGael)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/268 "2011-10-21T20:55:40Z")
> [@Sternvogel](#): > > Correct on Chuck. > > Krekor Ohanian became Touch Connors, then adopted the first name of Mike before starring in _Mannix_. > > Gary Collins was the name shared by the actor and receiver. > > DQ’s (if I still have the opportunity to ask): > > 1. Were you considered a barbarian? > > 2. Were you from Scandinavia? You have seniority in earning the DQ’s, so I think I will condense not Asian/European and not Romance/not Roman into just two questions, answer your pair, and then declare the “endgame” underway. 1. That’s a tough one, but I will answer “no” and give my justification later. 2. Not Scandanavian. 3. Real 4. Male 5. Not American 6. First name begins with “C” 7. Dead 8. European 9. Not born in the 20th century 10. Not Roman or from a Romance-language country 11. Not born between 1700-1900 12. Not known as any kind of artist 13. Born in the BC era 14. Known for political or military deeds 15. Not a scientist or intellectual 16. Not Greek 17. A royal or an aristocrat 18. Had my ups and downs with the Romans 19. A prominent general or warrior 20. Have not entirely escaped Hollywood’s attention 21. Not an unargued, full-on Barbarian 22. Not Scandinavian Endgame! ---
**Author:** ![AppallingGael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@AppallingGael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AppallingGael)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/269 "2011-10-21T21:02:59Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > Dick van Dyke played Caractacus Potts in _ **Chitty Chitty Bang Bang** _. Caractus was a royal/warrior who battled the Romans in what’s now Britain. > > If it wasn’t him… I got nuthin’ I am not Caractacus. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2011, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/270 "2011-10-22T02:03:12Z")
Was it the guy who lured those two legions to their doom in the forests of Germany? Dunno his name. Someone else can use it as their “Are you \_\_\_\_?” final question, if you like. ---
**Author:** ![AppallingGael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@AppallingGael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AppallingGael)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2011, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/271 "2011-10-22T04:15:37Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Was it the guy who lured those two legions to their doom in the forests of Germany? Dunno his name. Someone else can use it as their “Are you \_\_\_\_?” final question, if you like. Sounds like you mean Herman, or Arminius, as the Romans knew him. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2011, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/272 "2011-10-22T12:08:31Z")
Or Varus. Augustus, in his old age, would weep in the night, crying out “Oh, Varus, Varus, give me back my legions!”. (Well, in Latin…) I can’t think of a ‘C’ associated with Varus, though. Surely he wasn’t Caius Varus, was he? It could be a Celt from what is now Britain (because of the ‘not from a Romance-language country’, this couldn’t be a Celt from what is now Spain, right?), it could be a Gaul from what is now Germany (but not a Gaul from what is now France or Belgium…) or it could be a Slav. I’m rather suspecting it might be someone mentioned in Julius Ceasar’s campaigns. Wish I could have asked that as a DQ. My apologies for the lame question about ‘Asian’, by the way - in the heat of my hunch about Cyrus, I had read that as ‘not European’. ---
**Author:** ![AppallingGael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@AppallingGael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AppallingGael)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2011, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/273 "2011-10-22T18:09:05Z")
I guess I will give the answer after midnight tonight, Dope time, or a bit later. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2011, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/274 "2011-10-23T00:38:10Z")
Well, I’m stumped. ---
**Author:** ![AppallingGael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@AppallingGael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AppallingGael)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2011, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/275 "2011-10-23T05:24:16Z")
Ok, I am [Cunobelinus](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cunobelinus), Shakespeare’s Cymbeline. I am the father of Caractacus, who was Astorian’s guess, so if close counts in horseshoes and Botticelli, I nominate him to run the next game. I wasn’t sure if Mr. C rated as a barbarian, but I don’t think most of us were brought up to consider the Britons that way. I recall Gibbon explaining that the Romans stopped in the vicinity of Hadrian’s wall because further north, it was all naked barbarians not worth the conquering. I’m not sure what the Scots say. Also, his kingdom was pretty well defined, which is not the typical barbarian way. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2011, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/276 "2011-10-23T12:04:02Z")
Well done, **AppallingGael**! Just for the record, the Scots are immensely proud of having been seen as too barbaric to be worth conquering. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2011, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/277 "2011-10-23T16:26:57Z")
Has anyone else heard of Cunobelinus? ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2011, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/278 "2011-10-23T18:58:51Z")
Not by that name, but I’ve heard of Cymbeline. Might have got it if I’d been thinking more about Shakespeare and less about Herodotus. (It’s been, what, about 20 years or more since I read Cymbeline and it’s one of the few Shakespeares that I’ve never seen.) ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2011, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/279 "2011-10-23T21:04:11Z")
I will humgly (very humbly, since I didn’t actually solve the previous puzzle) accept the invitation and go with the letter… **A** ---
**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2011, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/280 "2011-10-23T21:53:56Z")
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