# Botticelli October 2011

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**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [October 3, 2011, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437 "2011-10-03T15:23:47Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [October 23, 2011, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/281 "2011-10-23T21:55:14Z")

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Not at all sure that Cunobelinus passes the as-well-known-as-Botticelli rule, but OK…

IQ: Did you spurn advice to shave off your mustache to appeal more to the legislature?

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/282 "2011-10-24T00:31:48Z")

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> [@Sternvogel](#):
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> IQ: Did you write the line “declining a Charlotte Russe, accepting a fig”?
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> IQ: Did you write a book called _She Was Nice to Mice_?
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> IQ: Did you host a show called _Double Dare_?

Not Ally Sheedy, author of “She Was Nice to Mice”

And not Alex Trebek, host of “Double Dare”

No idea about the Charlotte Russe quote, so ask a DQ.

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/283 "2011-10-24T00:34:21Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Not at all sure that Cunobelinus passes the as-well-known-as-Botticelli rule, but OK…
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> IQ: Did you spurn advice to shave off your mustache to appeal more to the legislature?

Not… Adolf Hitler? If it’s not Hitler, take a DQ.

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**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/284 "2011-10-24T01:17:56Z")

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IQ: A great composer in your own right, did you teach composition to Dmitri Shostakovich?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/285 "2011-10-24T01:39:40Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> IQ: Did you spurn advice to shave off your mustache to appeal more to the legislature?

Dean Acheson, Truman’s SecState, who had an imperious manner and a moustache to match: [http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1951/1101510108\_400.jpg](http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1951/1101510108_400.jpg)

DQ: Male?

IQ: Did you tell supporters, “Keep the faith, baby”?

IQ: Did you advocate for those who rebelled and took over the slave ship _Amistad_?

IQ: Did you warn Great Britain against permitting the Confederates to build commerce raiders there?

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**Author:** ![AppallingGael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@AppallingGael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AppallingGael)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/286 "2011-10-24T04:02:24Z")

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IQ: Did you catch Nolan Ryan’s record-breaking fifth no-hitter?

IQ: Were you both a “merry man” and, centuries later, a henchman of “the Archer” in Gotham City?

IQ: Are you a Tarkington title heroine?

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/287 "2011-10-24T04:24:05Z")

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> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#):
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> IQ: A great composer in your own right, did you teach composition to Dmitri Shostakovich?

Ask a DQ… no idea on this one.

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/288 "2011-10-24T04:26:10Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> DQ: Male?
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> IQ: Did you tell supporters, “Keep the faith, baby”?
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> IQ: Did you advocate for those who rebelled and took over the slave ship _Amistad_?
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> IQ: Did you warn Great Britain against permitting the Confederates to build commerce raiders there?

Yes.

1. Male  
Not Adam Clayton Powell.

Not John Quincy Adams.  
But I have no idea about who warned Britain about Confederate raiders. Ask a DQ.

Not

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/289 "2011-10-24T04:27:31Z")

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> [@AppallingGael](#):
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> IQ: Did you catch Nolan Ryan’s record-breaking fifth no-hitter?
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> IQ: Were you both a “merry man” and, centuries later, a henchman of “the Archer” in Gotham City?
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> IQ: Are you a Tarkington title heroine?

Not Alice Adams.

Not Alan A Dale.  
I don’t know who caught Nolan Ryan’s 5th no-hitter. Ask a DQ.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/290 "2011-10-24T04:46:19Z")

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> [@astorian](#):
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> …But I have no idea about who warned Britain about Confederate raiders. Ask a DQ.

Charles Francis Adams, the U.S. Minister (ambassador) to the Court of St. James’s.

DQ: Real?

IQ: Was your first big role in _Junebug_?

IQ: Were you a longtime gossip columnist for _Variety_?

IQ: The mother of an even more famous fictional character, was your maiden name Grayson?

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**Author:** ![AppallingGael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@AppallingGael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AppallingGael)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/291 "2011-10-24T06:32:50Z")

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> [@astorian](#):
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> I don’t know who caught Nolan Ryan’s 5th no-hitter. Ask a DQ.

That was Alan Ashby, the Houston Astros’ regular catcher in 1981.

DQ: American?

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/292 "2011-10-24T12:25:46Z")

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1. Male
2. Real person
3. Not American

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/293 "2011-10-24T12:26:50Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Charles Francis Adams, the U.S. Minister (ambassador) to the Court of St. James’s.
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> DQ: Real?
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> IQ: Was your first big role in _Junebug_?
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> IQ: Were you a longtime gossip columnist for _Variety_?
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> IQ: The mother of an even more famous fictional character, was your maiden name Grayson?

Not Amy Adams, and not Army Archerd.

I assume the Grayson name means she’s related to Robin… but I don’t know the name, so ask a DQ

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/294 "2011-10-24T13:02:38Z")

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> [@astorian](#):
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> …I assume the Grayson name means she’s related to Robin… but I don’t know the name, so ask a DQ

Good guess, but no, the former Amanda Grayson married Sarek of Vulcan and gave birth to Spock.

DQ: Living?

IQ: Was your ability to convincingly sneeze on cue featured on your show?

IQ: Were you Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain’s first commanding officer, and later a Reconstruction-era governor?

IQ: Were you Peer Gynt’s mom and the subject of a dirge?

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/295 "2011-10-24T13:41:30Z")

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1. Male
2. Real person
3. Not American
4. No longer living

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/296 "2011-10-24T13:44:46Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Good guess, but no, the former Amanda Grayson married Sarek of Vulcan and gave birth to Spock.
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> DQ: Living?
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> IQ: Was your ability to convincingly sneeze on cue featured on your show?
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> IQ: Were you Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain’s first commanding officer, and later a Reconstruction-era governor?
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> IQ: Were you Peer Gynt’s mom and the subject of a dirge?

I don’t any of these, so you have 3 DQs coming.

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**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/297 "2011-10-24T15:53:34Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Good guess, but no, the former Amanda Grayson married Sarek of Vulcan and gave birth to Spock.

If I may comment as an interested observer, I detect a hint of double standards here from someone who complained about Shakespeare’s Cymbeline being the subject of the last round :). Both are easy if you know them, I suppose (I certainly didn’t, which is why I’m sitting out these games - I couldn’t hold a candle to you guys, if by some freak happenstance I won a game, I may as well just give you all the 20 DQs off the bat).

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**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/298 "2011-10-24T19:13:03Z")

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> [@Sternvogel](#):
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> IQ: Did you write the line “declining a Charlotte Russe, accepting a fig”?

The lyric is a rhyme with “This could be the start of something big”, the title of the one Steve Allen song (among the thousands he reputedly wrote) that an average person off the street might conceivably know.

DQ: European?

IQ: Does a statue of you stand outside the Hall of Engineering named for you on the Purdue campus?

IQ: Do you generally work aside Emily Saliers?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/299 "2011-10-24T19:19:02Z")

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> [@Dead\_Cat](#):
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> If I may comment as an interested observer, I detect a hint of double standards here from someone who complained about Shakespeare’s Cymbeline being the subject of the last round :). Both are easy if you know them, I suppose (I certainly didn’t, which is why I’m sitting out these games - I couldn’t hold a candle to you guys, if by some freak happenstance I won a game, I may as well just give you all the 20 DQs off the bat).

But it wasn’t “Shakespeare’s Cymbeline” who was the object of that round; it was that character’s real name, Cunobelinus, and I suspect (although I’m not trying to make a stink over it) that the latter name fails the as-well-known-as-Botticelli rule.

Anyway.

IQ: Was your ability to convincingly sneeze on cue featured on your show?  
Alan Alda, on _M_A_S_H\*.

IQ: Were you Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain’s first commanding officer, and later a Reconstruction-era governor?  
Adelbert Ames.

IQ: Were you Peer Gynt’s mom and the subject of a dirge?  
This is Aase, who got a melancholy but beautiful movement from Grieg’s suite all to herself: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xxjw6ZsHjNU](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xxjw6ZsHjNU)

DQs:

Dead before 1900?  
Political or military?

I’ll reserve one DQ for now.

New IQs:

IQ: Were you thrown a gold coin as a generous payment in your youth?

IQ: Were you a freedom fighter with a handsome face but no pulse?

IQ: Did Ben Stein write admiringly of you when almost no one else did?

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2011/598437/300 "2011-10-24T19:23:41Z")

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> [@Sternvogel](#):
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> The lyric is a rhyme with “This could be the start of something big”, the title of the one Steve Allen song (among the thousands he reputedly wrote) that an average person off the street might conceivably know.
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> DQ: European?
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> IQ: Does a statue of you stand outside the Hall of Engineering named for you on the Purdue campus?
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> IQ: Do you generally work aside Emily Saliers?

1. Male
2. Real person
3. Not American
4. No longer living
5. Not European

Not Amy Ray of the Indigo Girls.

As for Purdue… I know nothing of the campus or statue, but based on trivial knowledge, I’ll say… not Neil Armstrong?

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