# Botticelli - October 2013

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411>\
**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [October 5, 2013, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411 "2013-10-05T01:50:28Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\
**Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/481 "2013-11-07T03:22:37Z")

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So that’s 4 total I assume:

DQ1) Criminal connection?  
DQ2) Die of natural causes?  
DQ3) Ever depicted on screen?  
DQ4) Religous figure?

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**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\
**Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/482 "2013-11-07T11:53:38Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> IQs:
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> Did a NE Ohio radio host say yesterday that he was named after you?  
> Did you insist that your work be performed slowly?  
> Did you insist that you were more important than the guy in the previous question?

Three DQs.

**J**

1. Real
2. Male
3. Last name does not start with J
4. American
5. Dead
6. Not in the Arts as we know and love them
7. Died since 1900
8. Political/military connections, but not actually a political/military figure
9. Not known for work in the sciences
10. Not known as a businessman
11. Did not die since 1950
12. Not born north of the Mason-Dixon Line
13. Born east of the Mississippi  
(Note: Not born in the continental US)
14. I think I can safely say he’s best known for a single incident
15. No criminal connection
16. Did not die of natural causes
17. Not depicted on screen as far as I know
18. Religious connections, but not what he’s best known for

Prof P has two reserved DQs.  
EH has four DQs

And we’re almost to #20…

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**Author:** ![fanganga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58f4c7/32.png) [@fanganga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fanganga)\
**Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/483 "2013-11-07T12:37:48Z")

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IQ1: Are you an American who claimed the title of Emperor?  
IQ2: Are you otherwise known as Professor Seagull?

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**Author:** ![fanganga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58f4c7/32.png) [@fanganga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fanganga)\
**Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/484 "2013-11-07T12:42:15Z")

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I suspect that 14 and 16 are related, but I’m still drawing a blank

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**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\
**Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/485 "2013-11-07T14:01:23Z")

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> [@fanganga](#):
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> IQ1: Are you an American who claimed the title of Emperor?  
> IQ2: Are you otherwise known as Professor Seagull?

Not … Joshua? … Norton.  
DQ.

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**Author:** ![fanganga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58f4c7/32.png) [@fanganga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fanganga)\
**Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/486 "2013-11-07T14:16:32Z")

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Joshua Norton is the emperor.  
Professor Seagull is Joe Gould, a New York eccentric famously written about by a journalist from the south whose name I can’t remember - I was worried the journalist might be the one, but now I think not.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/487 "2013-11-07T15:06:38Z")

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Previous IQs:

Did a NE Ohio radio host say yesterday that he was named after you? - The title character from the Three Dog Night song “Jeremiah Was a Bullfrog.”  
Did you insist that your work be performed slowly? - Ragtime master Scott Joplin.  
Did you insist that you were more important than the guy in the previous question? - Very talented but self-promoting musician Jelly Roll Morton.

So. We have a dead American male, first name starts with J, best known for a single incident, who died between 1900-1950 and not of natural causes (could it be a famous crime victim?). Political/military and religious connections. Born south of the Mason-Dixon Line, east of the Mississippi but _not_ in the continental U.S., which could mean… Puerto Rico? Overseas somewhere, but still an American?

Hmm. What would be a useful last two questions to ask?

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**Author:** ![fanganga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58f4c7/32.png) [@fanganga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fanganga)\
**Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/488 "2013-11-07T15:23:30Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Previous IQs:
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> (could it be a famous crime victim?).

I’m thinking that, or an explorer/mountaineer/aviator/etc who died in the process of the feat that made him famous. There were a lot of dangerous adventures in mountaineering and aviation in the early twentieth century.

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/489 "2013-11-07T15:39:26Z")

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IQ:

1. Were you a brave engineer who met his death on the _Cannonball Express_?

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**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\
**Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/490 "2013-11-07T16:18:59Z")

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> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#):
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> IQ:
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> 1. Were you a brave engineer who met his death on the _Cannonball Express_?

Not Casey Jones.

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**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\
**Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/491 "2013-11-07T16:45:54Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> best known for a single incident

Would it help if I said that he’s not really known for that single incident, but for what came out of that incident? Or does that just confuse things more?

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**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\
**Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/492 "2013-11-07T17:50:26Z")

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IQ: Are you 1 of only 2 civilians executed for espionage?

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**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\
**Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/493 "2013-11-07T18:51:00Z")

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> [@etv78](#):
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> IQ: Are you 1 of only 2 civilians executed for espionage?

Not Julius Rosenberg.

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**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/494 "2013-11-08T05:31:54Z")

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IQ: Did you take an especially long time returning from a torn ACL?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/495 "2013-11-08T05:32:28Z")

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> [@SCAdian](#):
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> Not Casey Jones.

Near and dear to my heart: [Who was the real Casey Jones? - The Straight Dope](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2875/who-was-the-real-casey-jones)

> [@SCAdian](#):
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> Would it help if I said that he’s not really known for that single incident, but for what came out of that incident? Or does that just confuse things more?

Thanks, but no, that doesn’t help much - not me, anyway.

Hmm. Still thinking.

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**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/496 "2013-11-08T07:55:08Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Born south of the Mason-Dixon Line, east of the Mississippi but _not_ in the continental U.S., which could mean… Puerto Rico? Overseas somewhere, but still an American?

Possibly a naturalized American–born elsewhere, but who became an American citizen.

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**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/497 "2013-11-08T12:22:28Z")

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> [@etv78](#):
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> IQ: Did you take an especially long time returning from a torn ACL?

DQ.

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/498 "2013-11-08T12:55:09Z")

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…thinking, pondering, contemplating, meditating… ah, phooey, I’m stumped…

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/499 "2013-11-08T14:19:02Z")

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Likewise. I yield my DQs to whoever’d like to ask them.

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**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/500 "2013-11-08T19:36:59Z")

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My IQ was Derrick Rose.

DQ1) Born in Puerto Rico?

And the 2 ceded DQs  
DQ2) Was his asassin brought to justice?  
DQ3) Anything of note named for him?

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