# Botticelli - October 2013 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [October 5, 2013, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411 "2013-10-05T01:50:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/501 "2013-11-08T23:12:55Z")
**J** 1. Real 2. Male 3. Last name does not start with J 4. American 5. Dead 6. Not in the Arts as we know and love them 7. Died since 1900 8. Political/military connections, but not actually a political/military figure 9. Not known for work in the sciences 10. Not known as a businessman 11. Did not die since 1950 12. Not born north of the Mason-Dixon Line 13. Born east of the Mississippi (Note: Not born in the continental US) 14. I think I can safely say he’s best known for a single incident 15. No criminal connection 16. Did not die of natural causes 17. Not depicted on screen as far as I know 18. Religious connections, but not what he’s best known for 19. Not born in Puerto Rico 20. Assassin not brought to justice 21. Something of note was named for him And that’s 20… Talk it over, think a bit. Prof P, EH, Spoons, fanganga and etv each get one more DQ, of the “Are you Firstname Lastname?” variety. I’ll give the answer if one of you guesses it, when everyone has asked or given up with no correct guess, or Sunday afternoon - whichever happens first. ---
**Author:** ![fanganga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58f4c7/32.png) [@fanganga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fanganga)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/502 "2013-11-08T23:26:38Z")
21’s an interesting one, given that he’s not a scientist, businessman or politician. An explorer? A crime victim who had a law named after him a’la Megan’s Law? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2013, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/503 "2013-11-09T00:18:11Z")
Here goes nothin’. Are you Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr.? ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2013, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/504 "2013-11-09T01:00:25Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Here goes nothin’. > Are you Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr.? I am not. ---
**Author:** ![fanganga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58f4c7/32.png) [@fanganga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fanganga)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2013, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/505 "2013-11-09T01:36:21Z")
Total stab in the dark here… Are you Jose Miranda? ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2013, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/506 "2013-11-09T01:38:12Z")
> [@fanganga](#): > > Total stab in the dark here… Are you Jose Miranda? I am not. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2013, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/507 "2013-11-09T05:11:00Z")
Another total stab in the dark. Are you… Julio Menendez? ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2013, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/508 "2013-11-09T12:01:32Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Another total stab in the dark. Are you… Julio Menendez? I am not. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2013, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/509 "2013-11-10T01:32:16Z")
Are you Jack Ruby? ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2013, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/510 "2013-11-10T01:56:46Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > Are you Jack Ruby? I am not. ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2013, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/511 "2013-11-10T15:08:50Z")
Spoons…? ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2013, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/512 "2013-11-10T16:40:23Z")
I got nuthin’. The only ones I can think of right now, don’t fit the parameters. So I’ll allow my “stab in the dark” to anybody who wishes to try it. ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2013, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/513 "2013-11-10T21:56:29Z")
Spoons has surrendered, and everyone else has struck out, so I guess it’s time for me to admit that I am Baptist missionary and US Army captain (though not particularly noted for either role) John Morrison Birch, considered by some to have been the first victim of the Cold War. You can blame fanganga for this one, by the way - it was the Lizzie [Borden](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wlO-J0v9ZY) game that made me think of [Birch](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l96hImehV9M)… ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2013, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/514 "2013-11-10T22:01:03Z")
Good one, SCAdian! Everybody join in: Oh, we’re meetin’ at the courthouse at eight o’clock tonight You just walk in the door and take the first turn to the right Be careful when you get there, we hate to be bereft But we’re taking down the names of everybody turning left Oh, we’re the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society Here to save our country from a communistic plot Join the John Birch Society, help us fill the ranks To get this movement started we need lots of tools and cranks ---
**Author:** ![fanganga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58f4c7/32.png) [@fanganga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fanganga)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2013, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/515 "2013-11-10T22:42:21Z")
Well played. In case anyone’s curious about my guess which was completely wrong, he was so completely wrong I didn’t even guess his first name right - number 21 had me thinking of Miranda, for whom the Miranda warning was named, I knew he had a Spanish first name and was hoping it was Jose. Turns out he was [Ernesto Miranda](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernesto_Miranda), born in Arizona, found guilty of the crime for which he was arrested even after the failure to inform him of his rights resulted in a lot of evidence being thrown out meaning there was certainly a criminal connection, and died after 1950. Welp, you win some, you lose some. Now there’s no one that we’re certain the Kremlin doesn’t touch We think that Westbrook Pegler doth protest a bit too much We only hail the hero from whom we got our name We’re not sure what he did but he’s our hero just the same ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2013, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/516 "2013-11-11T04:08:02Z")
The John Birch Society guy - of course! Good one, **SCAdian**! Well played. ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2013, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/517 "2013-11-11T04:45:43Z")
I think next I shall be … M. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2013, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/518 "2013-11-11T04:51:48Z")
IQ: Are you considered an heir appearent to Brooks Robinson? 1Q2: Did the A-rod people like help fix you up with your current bf? ---
**Author:** ![fanganga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58f4c7/32.png) [@fanganga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fanganga)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2013, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/519 "2013-11-11T09:08:00Z")
IQ1: Were you a proponent of preserving natural land whose eyesight was damaged? IQ2: Was your case used to establish a precedent for how arrests are handled in America? IQ3: Did you pull yourself out of a bog by your hair? ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2013, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411/520 "2013-11-11T12:03:42Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > IQ: Are you considered an heir appearent to Brooks Robinson? > 1Q2: Did the A-rod people like help fix you up with your current bf? Two DQs. > [@fanganga](#): > > IQ1: Were you a proponent of preserving natural land whose eyesight was damaged? > IQ2: Was your case used to establish a precedent for how arrests are handled in America? > IQ3: Did you pull yourself out of a bog by your hair? DQ. Not Ernesto Miranda. DQ. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2013/670411.md?page=27)