Botticelli - October 2015

IQs:

  1. Were you an Apache leader who lead a revolt against the U.S. government?
  2. Are you the Muse of History?
  3. Were you the SDMB Member who bit me in the Zombie attack of 2013, turning me into the Severed Head of Prof. Pepperwinkle?

correct, Hagbard Celine, Cheetara

DQ: Crime/Mystery genre?

holding 2 DQs

American and known only by one name is an odd combo.

DQ: Did you appear mostly in urban settings?

Holding 2 DQ.

Previous IQs:

Did you marry your first cousin, who worried about your soul? - Yes, Charles Darwin.
Were you the first to fly across America, “crash by crash”? - Cal Rodgers: Calbraith Perry Rodgers - Wikipedia
Were you the Finch family’s cook and house servant? - Calpurnia, in To Kill A Mockingbird and Go Set A Watchman.

DQs:

Appeared in only a single book?
Most associated with a locale west of the Miss. River?

Define literature, please.

IQ1: Are you referred to only as Captain?

Literature: written works with aesthetic merit. Does include genre fiction, such as mysteries or science fiction, does not include scripts from TV or movies, comic books, advertising, etc.

So, under Prof’s definition, poetry would be literature?

Or the subject of a song?

Oh. I had taken literature to mean the classics. I didn’t realize it included genres, as I didn’t consider most genre to be in classic territory.

Feel free to disagree and provide another definition.

I always assumed literature was any published fiction, excluding poetry. Then we narrow down by year, author, genre, etc.

For purposes of the current game, shouldn’t KO’s definition be used, as he was the one who asked that particular DQ?

I’d like SCAdian’s take on it.

To me, “literature” is prose fiction - novels, short stores, &c. For casual use, such as in this game, I would include all genres; more formally, such as at a library or a bookstore, I wouldn’t. I would also include epic poetry, such as the Iliad or the Mahabharata, but not Frost, Kipling, or other “popular” poetry. And as indicated, I would exclude non-fiction.

Wikipedia, on the other hand, is more inclusive:

I think it would be good to establish an “official” definition for game purposes of what is or is not “Literature” before continuing…

from Merriam-Webster:

Sounds good to me.

Sounds very imprecise to me. Your idea of “very good” and “lasting importance” my be very different from EH’s or KO’s.

“written works (such as poems, plays, and novels) that are critically acclaimed and taught in schools”

How about we never ask “From literature” again? :slight_smile:

Somewhat metagaming, in one extreme we could have the host answering the question as asked literally with no clarification, using their own definitions again with no explanation. This can be problematic as the questioners can get way off course, and it may be less fun that way. (sometimes a ‘yes and no’ response or a response of mu may be needed with this ruleset)

The other extreme is one we are close to, where the host provides lots more information then true and false by ‘clarifying’.

When the game is close to the first extreme, best strategy is to make DQs well formed such that it will be obvious to both sides what a response of ‘true’ and a response of ‘false’ means. If the question is ambiguous, the questioners will get unhelpful or misleading responses, but in such an environment that would be considered their fault.

Our status quo rewards asking DQs as vague as possible, because we’ll get extra info when the host adds a bunch of extra non-binary info. The literal response to last name start with C for someone with one name would be a flat “yes”, but we give bonus information by local convention.

I like type 2 in moderation, but sometimes I feel like our DQs go too far in the vagueness route to exploit it and get extra info. I would prefer it if we tried to keep the DQs more clear but still allowed the host to be gracious with extra information.

On the ‘literature’ definition: pick any one, use it, and get on with the game would be my preference. To just tell us whatever definition you were internally using when you made the ‘from literature’ response a while ago would be fine.