# Botticelli October 2023

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2023/990977>\
**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [October 2, 2023, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2023/990977 "2023-10-02T01:34:04Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
**Page:** 3

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2023/990977/41 "2023-10-05T17:20:26Z")

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**J**

1. Real
2. First name begins with J
3. Dead
4. Male
5. Not American
6. European
7. From the British Isles
8. Died in or since 1900
9. Died before 1960
10. Known from the arts
11. Not known for the literary arts
12. Known in part for the performing arts, but not as a performer
13. Died since 1940
14. Not known for music

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2023/990977/42 "2023-10-05T17:21:42Z")

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> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#):
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> 1. Were you a jazz pianist whose real name was Ferdinand La Mothe?
> 2. According to Dante, is your soul in Hell, being chewed by on of Satan’s mouths?
> 3. Were you a psychologist who developed ideas around introversion/extraversion and individuation?

Not Jelly Roll Morton? (Total guess -first J pianist I thought of - DQ if I’m wrong)  
Not Judas  
Not Carl Jung? (another guess - first J psychologist that comes to mind)

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2023/990977/43 "2023-10-05T19:13:55Z")

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Previous IQs:

Were you a politician who dated Linda Rondstadt? - Yes, then-Calif. Gov. Jerry Brown  
Did you jump into a river from a helicopter for a TV show? - Jerry Seinfeld: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc6tubGe9ms](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc6tubGe9ms)  
Did a music duo use your name to represent one half of the group, early in their career? - Yes, Jerry of Tom and Jerry, the future Simon and Garfunkel

DQ:

Knighted?

IQs:

Did FDR joke that you were bowlegged?  
Were you elected to the U.S. Senate while you were still too young to serve?  
Did your character die just before a big explosion in _Terminator 2: Judgment Day_?

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**Author:** ![De\_La\_Rue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@De\_La\_Rue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/De_La_Rue)\
**Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2023/990977/44 "2023-10-05T19:21:01Z")

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IQs:  
1. Early on in _Ghostbusters_, does the librarian say her uncle thought he was (appropriately enough) you?  
2. Were you the half-English half-Dutch guitarist in the band Utopia Avenue, penning songs like “Darkroom” and “Nightwatchman”?  
3. According to your memoir, are you _Glad_ your _Mom Died_?

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**Author:** ![De\_La\_Rue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@De\_La\_Rue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/De_La_Rue)\
**Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2023/990977/45 "2023-10-05T20:33:52Z")

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DQs:  
1. known for involvement in film?  
2. last name begins from A-M?

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2023/990977/46 "2023-10-05T20:56:22Z")

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**J**

1. Real
2. First name begins with J
3. Dead
4. Male
5. Not American
6. European
7. From the British Isles
8. Died in or since 1900
9. Died before 1960
10. Known from the arts
11. Not known for the literary arts
12. Known in part for the performing arts, but not as a performer
13. Died since 1940
14. Not known for music
15. Not knighted
16. Known for involvement in film
17. Last name does not begin from A-M

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2023/990977/47 "2023-10-05T20:59:50Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Did FDR joke that you were bowlegged?  
> Were you elected to the U.S. Senate while you were still too young to serve?  
> Did your character die just before a big explosion in _Terminator 2: Judgment Day_?

2 DQs  
Not Joe Morton

> [@De\_La\_Rue](#):
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> 1. Early on in _Ghostbusters_, does the librarian say her uncle thought he was (appropriately enough) you?
> 2. Were you the half-English half-Dutch guitarist in the band Utopia Avenue, penning songs like “Darkroom” and “Nightwatchman”?
> 3. According to your memoir, are you _Glad_ your _Mom Died_?

Not Saint Jerome  
DQ  
Not Janette McCurdy (sp?) - the iCarly second banana that was in the later spinoff with Ariana Grande (yes, I had Nick audience-aged kids at the time)

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**Author:** ![De\_La\_Rue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@De\_La\_Rue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/De_La_Rue)\
**Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2023/990977/48 "2023-10-05T21:05:47Z")

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> [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#):
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> Not Saint Jerome  
> DQ  
> Not Janette McCurdy (sp?) - the iCarly second banana that was in the later spinoff with Ariana Grande (yes, I had Nick audience-aged kids at the time)

2 was Jasper de Zoet, in the novel _Utopia Avenue_. Close enough on Jennette McCurdy.

DQ: director?

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2023/990977/49 "2023-10-05T21:07:19Z")

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**J**

1. Real
2. First name begins with J
3. Dead
4. Male
5. Not American
6. European
7. From the British Isles
8. Died in or since 1900
9. Died before 1960
10. Known from the arts
11. Not known for the literary arts
12. Known in part for the performing arts, but not as a performer
13. Died since 1940
14. Not known for music
15. Not knighted
16. Known for involvement in film
17. Last name does not begin from A-M
18. Director

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2023/990977/50 "2023-10-05T21:25:18Z")

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Hmmm, it’s October.

DQ: Known for a horror movie or movies?

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**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\
**Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2023/990977/51 "2023-10-05T22:00:33Z")

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> [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#):
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> > [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#):
> >
> > 1. Were you a jazz pianist whose real name was Ferdinand La Mothe?
> > 2. According to Dante, is your soul in Hell, being chewed by on of Satan’s mouths?
> > 3. Were you a psychologist who developed ideas around introversion/extraversion and individuation?
> 
> Not Jelly Roll Morton? (Total guess -first J pianist I thought of - DQ if I’m wrong)  
> Not Judas  
> Not Carl Jung? (another guess - first J psychologist that comes to mind)

Swept me, you cheeky monkey!

Last IQs:

1. Should we just call you Angel of the Morning?
2. Were you a blonde actress who became a sex symbol on the '80s sitcom _It’s A Living_?
3. Do you warn people that they might be a redneck?

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2023/990977/52 "2023-10-05T22:20:10Z")

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IQ: Did you direct _Frankenstein_ (the old one with Boris Karloff)?

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2023/990977/53 "2023-10-05T23:01:51Z")

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**J**

1. Real
2. First name begins with J
3. Dead
4. Male
5. Not American
6. European
7. From the British Isles
8. Died in or since 1900
9. Died before 1960
10. Known from the arts
11. Not known for the literary arts
12. Known in part for the performing arts, but not as a performer
13. Died since 1940
14. Not known for music
15. Not knighted
16. Known for involvement in film
17. Last name does not begin from A-M
18. Director
19. Known for a horror movie or movies

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2023/990977/54 "2023-10-05T23:07:10Z")

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> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#):
>
> 1. Should we just call you Angel of the Morning?
> 2. Were you a blonde actress who became a sex symbol on the '80s sitcom _It’s A Living_?
> 3. Do you warn people that they might be a redneck?

Not Juice Newton  
DQ  
Not Jeff Foxworthy

> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#):
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> IQ: Did you direct _Frankenstein_ (the old one with Boris Karloff)?

**YES!!** I am **James Whale**  
British born stage director who came to Hollywood and is best known for his Univeral horror classics _Frankenstein, The Bride of Frankenstein, The Invisible Man_ and _The Old Dark House_.  
Ironically, he chose to direct _Frankenstein_ when offered his pick of projects because he was worried about being typecast as a genre director, as he was previously known for war movies.

> **[James Whale](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Whale)**
>
> James Whale (22 July 1889 – 29 May 1957) was an English film director, theatre director and actor, who spent the greater part of his career in Hollywood. He is best remembered for several horror films: Frankenstein (1931), The Old Dark House (1932), The Invisible Man (1933) and Bride of Frankenstein (1935), all considered classics. Whale also directed films in other genres, including the 1936 film version of the musical Show Boat.
> Whale was born into a large family in Dudley, Worcestershire no...

Congrats, Prof.

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2023/990977/55 "2023-10-06T15:31:04Z")

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Thank you. Moving on to…

[![](https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.a86f5f37ba471bf542976b99d4d72d3c?rik=cfLclQG3riSX6g&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.chrombeschriftung.de%2fWebRoot%2fStore%2fShops%2f61026690%2f542A%2f8367%2fEF81%2f4997%2f8223%2fC0A8%2f2ABB%2fEFAF%2fO_Gold.jpg&ehk=dsPiiqGwtjBYTGkINupUj6jjwUPdDA9%2b4aGPyWW4DMQ%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0) ](https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.a86f5f37ba471bf542976b99d4d72d3c?rik=cfLclQG3riSX6g&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.chrombeschriftung.de%2fWebRoot%2fStore%2fShops%2f61026690%2f542A%2f8367%2fEF81%2f4997%2f8223%2fC0A8%2f2ABB%2fEFAF%2fO_Gold.jpg&ehk=dsPiiqGwtjBYTGkINupUj6jjwUPdDA9%2b4aGPyWW4DMQ%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0)

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**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\
**Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2023/990977/56 "2023-10-06T17:46:50Z")

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IQ1: Are you the renamed Bird of Death?  
IQ2: Do you love trash, anything dirty or dingy or dusty, anything ragged or rotten or rusty?  
IQ3: Did your boyfriend tell you to get to a nunnery?

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**Author:** ![De\_La\_Rue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@De\_La\_Rue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/De_La_Rue)\
**Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2023/990977/57 "2023-10-06T18:15:15Z")

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Congrats, Prof.!

IQs:  
1. Did you play JFK in _Bubba Ho-Tep_?  
2. Were you Edward Cope’s fellow bone-hunting rival?  
3. Did you contribute vocals to “The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill”?

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2023/990977/58 "2023-10-06T18:34:49Z")

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> [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](#):
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> IQ1: Are you the renamed Bird of Death?  
> IQ2: Do you love trash, anything dirty or dingy or dusty, anything ragged or rotten or rusty?  
> IQ3: Did your boyfriend tell you to get to a nunnery?

#1. Take a DQ.  
#2. I am not Oscar the Grouch.  
#3. I am not Ophelia.

> [@De\_La\_Rue](#):
>
> IQs:
> 
> 1. Did you play JFK in _Bubba Ho-Tep_?
> 2. Were you Edward Cope’s fellow bone-hunting rival?
> 3. Did you contribute vocals to “The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill”?

#1. I am not Ossie Davis.  
Take 2 DQs.

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**Author:** ![De\_La\_Rue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@De\_La\_Rue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/De_La_Rue)\
**Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2023/990977/59 "2023-10-06T18:49:41Z")

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> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#):
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> #1. I am not Ossie Davis.  
> Take 2 DQs.

2 was Othniel Marsh; 3 was Yoko Ono.

DQs:  
1. real?  
2. first name begins with O?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-october-2023/990977/60 "2023-10-06T19:26:13Z")

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Good job, **Prof. P.!**

There’s a movie _about_ Whale, which I haven’t seen, but I remember it got good reviews: [Gods and Monsters (film) - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gods_and_Monsters_(film))

Previous IQs:

Did FDR joke that you were bowlegged? - Joe Kennedy, who would have to wear court dress when presented in London as U.S. Ambassador to the Court of St. James’s  
Were you elected to the U.S. Senate while you were still too young to serve? - Joe Biden  
Did your character die just before a big explosion in _Terminator 2: Judgment Day_? - Yes, Joe Morton

Joe x3!

On to O.

IQs:

Were you a nude organist?  
Were you the Biblical figure after whom he was named?  
Were you AKA Tharkun?

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