# Botticelli (Part Whatever)
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-part-whatever/622653
**Category:** Thread Games
**Created:** [May 21, 2012, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-part-whatever/622653 "2012-05-21T21:04:41Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)
#### Post date: [May 31, 2012, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-part-whatever/622653/161 "2012-05-31T18:38:19Z")
> [@Spoons](#):
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> IQ1: Are you one of a pair of teen detectives in a popular series of children’s books?
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> IQ2: Did you and your valet accept a wager involving a long trip through such places as Suez, Bombay, Calcutta, Hong Kong, San Francisco, and New York?
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> IQ3: Were you a “gentleman’s gentleman” to a man named Bill Davis in a 1960s TV series?
Dunno about the first and third, but no, I’m not Phineas Fogg. Two DQs.
F.
1. Not alive
2. Not American
3. Fictional
4. Male
5. Originally appeared in a work of literature
6. Creator not now alive
7. European
8. Has appeared in more than one work of literature
9. Has appeared in films
10. Literature in which he appears is set before 1900
11. Originally appeared in an English-language work
12. Not originally in work written for the theatre
13. A main character
14. British author
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### Author:  [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)
#### Post date: [May 31, 2012, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-part-whatever/622653/162 "2012-05-31T19:04:05Z")
IQ1: Did you once fire Brian Eno, saying “There’s only room for one non-musician in this band, and I’m it!”
IQ2: Are you the only person who has been in every incarnation of the band ‘King Crimson’?
IQ3: Are you most famous for your long-term collaboration with Walter Becker?
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### Author:  [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)
#### Post date: [May 31, 2012, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-part-whatever/622653/163 "2012-05-31T19:05:50Z")
> [@Spoons](#):
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> IQ1: Are you one of a pair of teen detectives in a popular series of children’s books?
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> IQ3: Were you a “gentleman’s gentleman” to a man named Bill Davis in a 1960s TV series?
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Dunno about the first and third, but no, I’m not Phineas Fogg. Two DQs.
Correct on Fogg.
IQ1 was looking for Frank Hardy, of the Hardy Boys mysteries.
IQ3 was looking for Giles French, better known as Mr. French; who was the butler to “Uncle Bill” Davis, on the TV show “Family Affair.”
DQ: Does your first name start with F?
DQ: While the time setting for your character is prior to 1900, was the literature first published after 1900?
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### Author:  [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)
#### Post date: [May 31, 2012, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-part-whatever/622653/164 "2012-05-31T19:45:08Z")
Were you a Jewish “merry old gentleman”?
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### Author:  [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)
#### Post date: [May 31, 2012, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-part-whatever/622653/165 "2012-05-31T23:18:37Z")
IQ1: Did the news used to report periodically that you’re still dead?
IQ2: Are you a fastidious gentleman having some issues with your domestic situation?
IQ3: Did you mistakenly name yourself after a car?
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### Author:  [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)
#### Post date: [June 1, 2012, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-part-whatever/622653/166 "2012-06-01T00:19:00Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#):
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> IQ1: Did you once fire Brian Eno, saying “There’s only room for one non-musician in this band, and I’m it!”
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> IQ2: Are you the only person who has been in every incarnation of the band ‘King Crimson’?
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> IQ3: Are you most famous for your long-term collaboration with Walter Becker?
Dunno the first two, but no, I’m not Donald Fagen (sp?) of Steely Dan. Two DQs.
> [@etv78](#):
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> Were you a Jewish “merry old gentleman”?
You got me on this. Take a DQ.
> [@Enginerd](#):
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> IQ1: Did the news used to report periodically that you’re still dead?
> IQ2: Are you a fastidious gentleman having some issues with your domestic situation?
> IQ3: Did you mistakenly name yourself after a car?
I’m not Generalissimo Francisco Franco (thanks, Chevy), Felix Unger, or Edsel Ford (vice versa as to the naming, right?).
Please note, below, the slight clarification as to answer #14.
F.
1. Not alive
2. Not American
3. Fictional
4. Male
5. Originally appeared in a work of literature
6. Creator not now alive
7. European
8. Has appeared in more than one work of literature
9. Has appeared in films
10. Literature in which he appears is set before 1900
11. Originally appeared in an English-language work
12. Not originally in a work written for the theatre
13. A main character
14. Created by a British author
15. First name starts with “F”
16. Work of literature published before 1900
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### Author:  [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)
#### Post date: [June 1, 2012, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-part-whatever/622653/167 "2012-06-01T00:41:43Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> I’m not Generalissimo Francisco Franco (thanks, Chevy), Felix Unger, or Edsel Ford (vice versa as to the naming, right?).
Right on Franco and Unger, but I didn’t mistype the third question - in Hitchiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, the alien Ford Prefect named himself after a car (the Prefect was a model sold in Britain) because he mistakenly thought that cars were the dominant species on Earth.
DQ: Was the work of literature in which you first appeared published after 1800?
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### Author:  [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)
#### Post date: [June 1, 2012, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-part-whatever/622653/168 "2012-06-01T00:59:56Z")
DQ:Has your character’s actor won an award? (BTW I was refering to a Dicken’s character in my IQ)
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### Author:  [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)
#### Post date: [June 1, 2012, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-part-whatever/622653/169 "2012-06-01T13:35:01Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#):
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> IQ1: Did you once fire Brian Eno, saying “There’s only room for one non-musician in this band, and I’m it!”
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> IQ2: Are you the only person who has been in every incarnation of the band ‘King Crimson’?
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> IQ3: Are you most famous for your long-term collaboration with Walter Becker?
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Dunno the first two, but no, I’m not Donald Fagen (sp?) of Steely Dan. Two DQs.
Quite right on Donald Fagen.
#1. is **Bryan Ferry** , founding member of Roxy Music. Eno was a member of the band for the first album, and was fired midway through the second. They had never been a particularly good fit to begin with…
#2. is **Robert Fripp** , founding member of King Crimson and its de facto leader. For many people, he **is** the essence of King Crimson…
DQ1: Is this character British?
DQ2: Were these works published before 1800?
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### Author:  [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)
#### Post date: [June 1, 2012, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-part-whatever/622653/170 "2012-06-01T20:13:55Z")
**etv** , which Dickens character did you have in mind?
**Le Ministre** , since your second DQ was almost identical to **Enginerd** ’s, would you like to rephrase, or ask another?
F.
1. Not alive
2. Not American
3. Fictional
4. Male
5. Originally appeared in a work of literature
6. Creator not now alive
7. European
8. Has appeared in more than one work of literature
9. Has appeared in films
10. Literature in which he appears is set before 1900
11. Originally appeared in an English-language work
12. Not originally in a work written for the theatre
13. A main character
14. Created by a British author
15. First name starts with “F”
16. Work of literature published before 1900
17. Work of literature first published after 1800
18. British character
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### Author:  [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)
#### Post date: [June 1, 2012, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-part-whatever/622653/171 "2012-06-01T20:30:45Z")
I was going for Fagin
Which brings up a question: are **questioners** allowed to do research, to formulate IQs?
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### Author:  [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)
#### Post date: [June 1, 2012, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-part-whatever/622653/172 "2012-06-01T21:42:16Z")
> [@etv78](#):
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> Which brings up a question: are **questioners** allowed to do research, to formulate IQs?
No. With the power of the internet, you could discover impossible to guess minutiae about otherwise famous people, or research names that are too obscure for the ‘as famous as Botticelli’ rule.
Just what’s in your head, please.
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### Author:  [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)
#### Post date: [June 1, 2012, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-part-whatever/622653/173 "2012-06-01T21:44:15Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> **Le Ministre** , since your second DQ was almost identical to **Enginerd** ’s, would you like to rephrase, or ask another?
Yes, please.
DQ: Does your author’s last name begin with an initial letter from A - M?
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### Author:  [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)
#### Post date: [June 2, 2012, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-part-whatever/622653/174 "2012-06-02T03:53:48Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#):
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> No. With the power of the internet, you could discover impossible to guess minutiae about otherwise famous people, or research names that are too obscure for the ‘as famous as Botticelli’ rule.
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> Just what’s in your head, please.
Precisely! Thank you.
F.
1. Not alive
2. Not American
3. Fictional
4. Male
5. Originally appeared in a work of literature
6. Creator not now alive
7. European
8. Has appeared in more than one work of literature
9. Has appeared in films
10. Literature in which he appears is set before 1900
11. Originally appeared in an English-language work
12. Not originally in a work written for the theatre
13. A main character
14. Created by a British author
15. First name starts with “F”
16. Work of literature published before 1900
17. Work of literature first published after 1800
18. British character
19. Author’s last name begins with an initial letter from A-M
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### Author:  [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)
#### Post date: [June 2, 2012, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-part-whatever/622653/175 "2012-06-02T05:21:49Z")
> [@etv78](#):
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> DQ:Has your character’s actor won an award? (BTW I was refering to a Dicken’s character in my IQ)
Did you miss this? 😉
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### Author:  [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)
#### Post date: [June 2, 2012, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-part-whatever/622653/176 "2012-06-02T15:59:45Z")
Thanks, **etv**.
F.
1. Not alive
2. Not American
3. Fictional
4. Male
5. Originally appeared in a work of literature
6. Creator not now alive
7. European
8. Has appeared in more than one work of literature
9. Has appeared in films
10. Literature in which he appears is set before 1900
11. Originally appeared in an English-language work
12. Not originally in a work written for the theatre
13. A main character
14. Created by a British author
15. First name starts with “F”
16. Work of literature published before 1900
17. Work of literature first published after 1800
18. British character
19. Author’s last name begins with an initial letter from A-M
20. No actor has, as far as I can determine, ever won an award for playing this character
Right, that’s 20 DQs. Everyone who’s earned at least one DQ in this round may now ask one “Are you [firstname lastname]?” question by noon EST on Tues. June 5.
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### Author:  [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)
#### Post date: [June 2, 2012, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-part-whatever/622653/177 "2012-06-02T16:28:04Z")
[Table Talk]
There are two things bits of information that I wish I had. 1) This character appeared in more than one work of literature, but we don’t know if those works were by the same author and/or published in the author’s lifetime. And 2) we don’t know whether the works of literature were novels or short stories. It is less common for an author to bring back a character in a novel, unless it’s genre fiction…
19th century literature, A-M. Could be Dickens, Austin, James, Elliot, Doyle, Hardy, Kipling, any of the Brontes, and the list could go on. All I really know is that it’s someone from the west side of the library. Who, of any of them, repeated a character? Well, Doyle, of course, but with an ‘F’ first name?
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### Author:  [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)
#### Post date: [June 2, 2012, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-part-whatever/622653/178 "2012-06-02T18:06:12Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#):
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> 19th century literature, A-M. Could be Dickens, Austin, James, Elliot, Doyle, Hardy, Kipling, any of the Brontes, and the list could go on. All I really know is that it’s someone from the west side of the library. Who, of any of them, repeated a character? Well, Doyle, of course, but with an ‘F’ first name?
There is also H. Rider Haggard, who wrote series with recurring characters (Allan Quatermain, who first appeared in _King Solomon’s Mines_, for one), but my knowledge of Haggard’s works isn’t broad enough to know all the characters in them. Still, maybe somebody does.
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### Author:  [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)
#### Post date: [June 4, 2012, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-part-whatever/622653/179 "2012-06-04T21:06:20Z")
I’m going to take a wild guess -
DQ: Are you Fezziwig (sp?) from ‘A Christmas Carol’ by Charles Dickens?
I don’t think this can possibly be right, as I think Fezziwig is a last name. I think, though, that he is also in ‘Mr. Timothy’, and I know ‘A Christmas Carol’ has been filmed many times…
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### Author:  [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)
#### Post date: [June 5, 2012, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-part-whatever/622653/180 "2012-06-05T11:17:14Z")
No, I’m not Fezziwig. Good guess, though.
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