# Botticelli -- Round 7 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 9, 2007, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-round-7/418512 "2007-09-09T01:34:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-round-7/418512/61 "2007-09-09T17:20:32Z")
[QUOTE=Johnny L.A.] DQ1: Is your main claim to fame in the entertainment industry? (I consider being an author, while providing entertainment, as a separate thing.) [/QUOTE] No, not an entertainer. And I’ll add that, while I am an author that is also not my claim to fame; my books sell because they are about the thing that makes me famous. ---
**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-round-7/418512/62 "2007-09-09T17:20:41Z")
[QUOTE=Xema] [QUOTE=anyrose] Were you a noted Lacrosse coach? [/QUOTE] No, and I don’t know who was. [/QUOTE] [Richard Moran](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_M._Moran) I will reserve my next DQ until the previous 2 have been answered ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-round-7/418512/63 "2007-09-09T17:21:51Z")
[QUOTE=anyrose] DQ: Does your noteworthyness involve a sex scandal? [/QUOTE] No sex scandal. ---
**Author:** ![Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abby_Emma_Sasha)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-round-7/418512/64 "2007-09-09T17:25:23Z")
I’m still out of the game but I think I understand now. Please, though, allow me to state this as if I were talking to a 6 year old. Too many rules give this adjunct and that trump and this whatever the hell the term they use. Please let me do this in normal people speak. 1- The guesser guesses by initials, and asking pertinent questions that may lead to the person with those initials. For example, if the initials are WS, the guesser may ask “Did you write Hamlet”? If the asker answers “Yes”. You win. If the asker answers “No, and I don’t know who you mean”, then that guesser gets a non descript question, correct? Such as “Are you a writer”? Is this correct? I’m sorry, but too many games have rules that are too cryptic for me to grok. Just explain what is needed in normal, human terms and we can all have fun. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-round-7/418512/65 "2007-09-09T17:34:26Z")
[QUOTE=Xema] No, not an entertainer. [/QUOTE] Clarification: By ‘in the entertainment industry’, I didn’t mean only performers. I include musicians, singers, directors, producers, screenwriters, cinematographers, etc. ---
**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-round-7/418512/66 "2007-09-09T17:35:13Z")
[QUOTE=Abby\_Emma\_Sasha] \Is this correct?\ [/QUOTE] yes. But this is a very old game. It was old when my parents taught it to me 40 years ago. The wordiness of the rules is to remove any ambiguity - perfect example is Xema realizing that the Direct Mode can continue as long as the answers are “yes” (I did not remember that rule - nor did I look for it when looking for support of my claim) ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-round-7/418512/67 "2007-09-09T17:35:53Z")
[QUOTE=Abby\_Emma\_Sasha] If the asker answers “No, and I don’t know who you mean”, then that guesser gets a non descript question, correct? Such as “Are you a writer”? Is this correct? [/QUOTE] It is, though I think it would be clearer if you replaced “non descript” with “yes-no”. ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-round-7/418512/68 "2007-09-09T17:36:56Z")
[QUOTE=Johnny L.A.] Clarification: By ‘in the entertainment industry’, I didn’t mean only performers. I include musicians, singers, directors, producers, screenwriters, cinematographers, etc. [/QUOTE] That is how I understood the question. Answer remains “no”. ---
**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-round-7/418512/69 "2007-09-09T17:44:49Z")
Okay - this is what we know[ul] [li]Not an actor[/li][li]Is in politics, but not his claim to fame[/li][li]Male[/li][li]Living[/li][li]not in any facet of the entertainment industry[/li][li]was not involved in a sex scandal[/li][/ul] my reserved DQ is Were you prominantly involved in Watergate? eta: and by prominantly, I mean, someone whose name appeared in more than one news article or commissioned report ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-round-7/418512/70 "2007-09-09T17:45:00Z")
Information now known about R.M. - Living male - Not in the entertainment industry - Sometime politician and author (though neither is what he’s best known for) - Not involved in any sex scandal ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-round-7/418512/71 "2007-09-09T17:50:45Z")
[QUOTE=anyrose] Were you prominantly involved in Watergate? [/QUOTE] No connection with Watergate. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-round-7/418512/72 "2007-09-09T17:51:53Z")
[QUOTE=Abby\_Emma\_Sasha] 1- The guesser guesses by initials, and asking pertinent questions that may lead to the person with those initials. For example, if the initials are WS, the guesser may ask “Did you write Hamlet”? If the asker answers “Yes”. You win. If the asker answers “No, and I don’t know who you mean”, then that guesser gets a non descript question, correct? Such as “Are you a writer”? Is this correct? [/QUOTE] Basically: A person thinks of a person and gives the person’s initials. The guessers have to deduce whose initials they are. The guesser has to have a specific person in mind. For example, WS. The guesser might think of William Shakespeare and ask, ‘Did you write _Hamlet_?’ If WS is William Shakespeare, the ‘host’ will say ‘Yes. I’m William Shakespeare.’ If WS is _not_ William Shakespeare there are three possible answers: [ul][li]No, I’m not William Shakespeare; or[/li][li]No, I’m not [some other name with the initials WS – say, ‘William Smith’]; or[/li][li]No, and I don’t know who you mean[/ul][/li]William Shakespeare matches the condition of the question; he did write _Hamlet_. You win. But William Smith didn’t write _Hamlet_, the play. He doesn’t fit the condition, so you get a DQ. (Unless Smith was a performance artist who wrote ‘Hamlet’ on a hundred pigs or something. In that case he fits the question as asked, and you don’t get a DQ. But I’d expect the host to explain his answer in that case.) If the host does not know that William Shakespeare wrote _Hamlet_ and can’t think of anyone else that fits the question as asked (such as our hypothetical Mr. Smith), he says he doesn’t know. You get a DQ. The DQs should be designed to narrow the field. DQs are a lot like 20 Questions. ‘Are you male?’, ‘Are you alive?’, ‘Are you American?’ and ‘Is your claim to fame in aerospace?’ would lead the questioner to think of a dead American male who flew. So the next indirect question might be ‘Did you have an argument over whether you would wear your space helmet on Apollo 7?’ The host will then say, ‘Yes. I’m Wally Schirra.’ ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-round-7/418512/73 "2007-09-09T17:54:11Z")
Clarification for Johnny L.A.: R.M. is not infrequently asked (and paid) to address audiences about the aspect of his life for which he is famous. Does this make him part of the entertainment industry? If so, you are entitled to another DQ. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-round-7/418512/74 "2007-09-09T17:55:23Z")
DQ2: Is your main claim to fame as a sports figure? ---
**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-round-7/418512/75 "2007-09-09T17:57:15Z")
[QUOTE=Xema] Does this make him part of the entertainment industry? [/QUOTE] I’d say no. Paid lecturers/key note speakers/workshop leaders, although presenting to an audience, are not entertainers, even if their subject matter is very entertaining ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-round-7/418512/76 "2007-09-09T17:58:11Z")
[QUOTE=Xema] Clarification for Johnny L.A.: R.M. is not infrequently asked (and paid) to address audiences about the aspect of his life for which he is famous. Does this make him part of the entertainment industry? [/QUOTE] I don’t think so. For example, in the previous round with Douglas Bader I was asked if DB had worked in the entertainment industry for _any_ period of time. He was a technical advisor on _The Battle Of Britain_ (uncredited), so I said yes. He was also listed as having appeared on a couple of interview shows. I would not have counted those. It was because he worked on a film that I said yes. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-round-7/418512/77 "2007-09-09T18:09:03Z")
IQ: Are you known for writing on agriculture? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-round-7/418512/78 "2007-09-09T18:18:27Z")
**Abby\_Emma\_Sasha** : I forgot to say that Indirect Questions can be designed to elicit an ‘I don’t know’ response. You still have to have a specific person in mind, and that person must fit the question. But the question can be stated in such a way as to make it difficult for the host to know who you’re talking about so that you will get a DQ. ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-round-7/418512/79 "2007-09-09T18:44:59Z")
[QUOTE=Johnny L.A.] DQ2: Is your main claim to fame as a sports figure? [/QUOTE] Yes (though take care not to define “sports” too narrowly). You are entitled to another DQ. ---
**Author:** ![Taber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@Taber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taber)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-round-7/418512/80 "2007-09-09T18:47:27Z")
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