# Botticelli September 2011 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [September 4, 2011, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2011/595171 "2011-09-04T16:52:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![AppallingGael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@AppallingGael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AppallingGael)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2011/595171/381 "2011-09-18T18:08:23Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > IQ: Did you warn your countrymen of a coming “irrepressible conflict”? No, I am not Winfield Scott? ---
**Author:** ![AppallingGael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@AppallingGael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AppallingGael)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2011/595171/382 "2011-09-18T18:11:02Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > Were you married to a fur trapper named Charbonneau? No, and no guess. Sleeping on these didn’t help. Much as I have always longed to come up with something useful while dreaming, it never seems to work out for me. ---
**Author:** ![AppallingGael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@AppallingGael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AppallingGael)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2011/595171/383 "2011-09-18T18:12:02Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > Did your height force one of Britain’s most popular rock bands to change its name? No, I am not Stu Sutcliffe? ---
**Author:** ![AppallingGael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@AppallingGael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AppallingGael)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2011/595171/384 "2011-09-18T18:14:16Z")
> [@Sternvogel](#): > > IQ: Did you write a book called _The Canfield Decision_? No, I am not Mr. Smith, the famous author. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2011/595171/385 "2011-09-18T18:18:45Z")
Lewis and Clark hired a french fur trapper named Charbonneau to guide them through the Louisiana territory- he was assisted by his wife, was the famed Shoshone Indian Sacagawea, who appeared on the dollar coin. The Small Faces were one of England’s biggest bands, in the Sixties. They took the name because they were all very short guys (all 5’ 6" or less). When much taller Rod Stewart replaced Steve Marriott on vocals, they had to drop the word “Small,” and became just the Faces. DQ1: Did you perform on a stage before an audience? DQ2: Were you either a singer or a musician? ---
**Author:** ![AppallingGael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@AppallingGael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AppallingGael)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2011/595171/386 "2011-09-18T18:26:12Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > DQ1: Did you perform on a stage before an audience? > > DQ2: Were you either a singer or a musician? No, and no. 1. Male 2. Real 3. Dead 4. Not born in 20th century 5. Not American 6. Last name begins with “S” 7. Broadly speaking, I work in the arts 8. Born in the 19th century 9. European 10. Not a writer 11. Not involved in publishing 12. Not born in the British Isles 13. Alive in 1900 14. Not a painter 15. First initial is from among A-M 16. Not an architect 17. A creative rather than a supportive “artiste” (using the self-mocking spelling to emphasize the stretch) 18. Not a stage performer 19. Neither a singer nor a musician ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2011/595171/387 "2011-09-18T21:21:55Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > IQ: Did you warn your countrymen of a coming “irrepressible conflict”? Not Winfield Scott, but William H. Seward, Lincoln’s future Secretary of State. I guess we don’t need any more IQs. I can’t figure out who the guy is from the answers provided so far, so whoever wants to ask our final DQ, go ahead. I’m thinking it’s either a sculptor or an early movie actor. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2011/595171/388 "2011-09-19T16:25:41Z")
Did Willem Dafoe get an Oscar nomination for playing you? ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2011/595171/389 "2011-09-19T17:54:09Z")
IQ: Were you known as ‘The Velvet Gentleman’ in the Parisian music scene in the early 20th century? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2011/595171/390 "2011-09-19T18:08:34Z")
Are those supposed to be DQs? 'Cause we don’t get no more IQs. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2011/595171/391 "2011-09-19T18:16:20Z")
Beg pardon, I may have misunderstood. I thought we got one more DQ, and that it still has to be earned. After we have 20 answers to DQs, then we’re stuck trying to figure out who this is with what we’ve got. That’s the basis on which I submitted my last IQ, in any case… And I can’t tell if I’m just reading too much into this ‘artiste/broadly defined’ thing. I certainly haven’t figured it out - does that mean ‘not very good at a standard art form’ or does it mean ‘an innovator whose artistic endeavour turned out to be a dead end’? Colour me puzzled, though I’m happy to take a swing at it. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2011/595171/392 "2011-09-19T20:07:40Z")
I earned our last DQ with my Seward question. If you have a final killer DQ to ask, go ahead. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2011/595171/393 "2011-09-19T21:03:33Z")
Killer DQ? That’s a pretty heavy responsibility among these tricky and clever minds - I’ll see what I can come up with as I walk to the library and back… ---
**Author:** ![AppallingGael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@AppallingGael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AppallingGael)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2011/595171/394 "2011-09-19T22:49:14Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > And I can’t tell if I’m just reading too much into this ‘artiste/broadly defined’ thing. I certainly haven’t figured it out - does that mean ‘not very good at a standard art form’ or does it mean ‘an innovator whose artistic endeavour turned out to be a dead end’? Colour me puzzled, though I’m happy to take a swing at it. I meant neither, but rather that it is an “art” in the sense that it is sometimes styled “the \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ arts”, which leaves many things open but at least makes a few things unlikely. I’m also not sure what I am supposed to do now, but I will guess Satie for the music question and Simon the Apostle for Defoe (though I think he was actually Jesus in that thing). ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2011/595171/395 "2011-09-20T04:12:00Z")
> [@AppallingGael](#): > > I meant neither, but rather that it is an “art” in the sense that it is sometimes styled “the \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ arts”, which leaves many things open but at least makes a few things unlikely. > > I’m also not sure what I am supposed to do now, but I will guess Satie for the music question and Simon the Apostle for Defoe (though I think he was actually Jesus in that thing). Willem Dafoe didn’t get the Oscar nomination for “Last Temptation of Christ.” He got it for “Shadow of the Vampire,” in which he played Max Schreck, the star of silent horror film “Nosferatu.” ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2011/595171/396 "2011-09-20T16:34:21Z")
Side talk: astorian - do you have an idea? I’m stumped; if it were down to me, I’d do a ‘hail Mary’ (like ‘Were you born in France?’ or ‘Were you born in a German-speaking country?’.) to try to nail down the nationality , but if you have a better thought, you jump on in. ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2011/595171/397 "2011-09-20T17:02:41Z")
Side conversation for the last DQ: We’ve got the hint about “the \_\_\_\_ arts”. Culinary? A famous chef perhaps? I can’t think of any that meet all the other DQ responses though. The “dark” arts? An occultist along the lines of Aleister Crowley? Or a famous medium? Not a stage magician since DQ#18 rules that out. It seems that nailing down the “broadly speaking” art form would be the biggest help, but we’ve only got one shot. Guessing wrong and getting a “no” leaves us stuck where we are. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2011/595171/398 "2011-09-20T17:18:06Z")
Whatever. I’m stumped. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2011, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2011/595171/399 "2011-09-21T15:29:50Z")
I got nuthin’- sorry, guys. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2011, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2011/595171/400 "2011-09-21T18:16:00Z")
Well, I got nothin’, neither, but we’re not going to know the answer until we’ve all taken a stab at it… DQ: Were you known for your skills in the culinary arts? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2011/595171.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2011/595171.md?page=21)