# Botticelli - September 2019

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2019/839600>\
**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [September 2, 2019, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2019/839600 "2019-09-02T20:16:52Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2019/839600/201 "2019-09-10T20:43:46Z")

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Previous IQs:

IQ1: Are you a famously bad but enthusiastic singer? - Florence Foster Jenkins.  
IQ2: Were you a Civil War general known for sucking lemons and sitting on your horse with your hand in the air, to ease a wounded finger? T.J. “Stonewall” Jackson.  
IQ: Were you an executive with the habit of conducting business meetings while sitting on the toilet? Lyndon Baines Johnson, who sometimes met with advisors while so situated.

DQ1: First name “John”?

New IQs:

IQ1: Are you the alliterative hero of a children’s song, whose name is my name as well?  
IQ2: Are you famous in folklore under a nickname given you because there were already too many men with your name working for your employer?  
IQ3: Were you a learned Roman Emperor, who tried to return the Empire to the worship of the classical gods and away from the fashionable new religion of Christianity?

Holding 2 DQs

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**Author:** ![atimnie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atimnie/32/11_2.png) [@atimnie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/atimnie)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2019/839600/202 "2019-09-10T21:00:19Z")

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1. Fictional
2. Male
3. First name starts with J
4. Did not die in character
5. American
6. Good guy
7. Created in the 70s
8. Originally from British TV, with a name change for American TV, looking for the American name
9. Not sci-fi/fantasy
10. One of the main characters
11. Contemporary setting
12. Alive today… probably
13. Common first name
14. Comedy
15. American version first aired before 2000
16. Not married
17. Caucasian
18. Not associated with NYC
19. Good looking
20. Not named John

No more IQs, ask all DQs before Thursday.

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**Author:** ![atimnie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atimnie/32/11_2.png) [@atimnie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/atimnie)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2019/839600/203 "2019-09-10T21:02:46Z")

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\*IQ1: Are you the alliterative hero of a children’s song, whose name is my name as well?  
IQ2: Are you famous in folklore under a nickname given you because there were already too many men with your name working for your employer?  
IQ3: Were you a learned Roman Emperor, who tried to return the Empire to the worship of the classical gods and away from the fashionable new religion of Christianity? \*  
Not John Jacob Jingleheimer Smith (or Schmidt, depending on the version). Take 2 DQs.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2019/839600/204 "2019-09-10T21:02:52Z")

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Hmm. Dunno who this is. I yield my two earned DQs to whoever would like to ask them, one per customer.

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2019/839600/205 "2019-09-10T21:07:02Z")

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DQs:

1. American version first aired before 1980?
2. Sitcom?

and one of EH’s: From a series that lasted more than 2 seasons?

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**Author:** ![atimnie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atimnie/32/11_2.png) [@atimnie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/atimnie)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2019/839600/206 "2019-09-10T21:15:21Z")

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1. Fictional
2. Male
3. First name starts with J
4. Did not die in character
5. American
6. Good guy
7. Created in the 70s
8. Originally from British TV, with a name change for American TV, looking for the American name
9. Not sci-fi/fantasy
10. One of the main characters
11. Contemporary setting
12. Alive today… probably
13. Common first name
14. Comedy
15. American version first aired before 2000
16. Not married
17. Caucasian
18. Not associated with NYC
19. Good looking
20. Not named John
21. Aired before 1980
22. Sitcom
23. More than two seasons

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**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2019/839600/207 "2019-09-11T01:59:40Z")

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Holding 2 DQs  
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> [@atimnie](#):
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> \*IQ1: Are you the alliterative hero of a children’s song, whose name is my name as well?  
> IQ2: Are you famous in folklore under a nickname given you because there were already too many men with your name working for your employer?  
> IQ3: Were you a learned Roman Emperor, who tried to return the Empire to the worship of the classical gods and away from the fashionable new religion of Christianity? \*  
> Not John Jacob Jingleheimer Smith (or Schmidt, depending on the version). Take 2 DQs.

Correct on J.J. Jingleheimer Schmidt (as I heard it). IQ2 was John Luther Jones, who was given the nickname “Casey” when he joined the Illinois Central Railroad, because there were already several John Joneses in his division. IQ3 was Flavius Claudius Julianus Augustus, known by the Christians as Julian the Apostate, Byzantine Emperor from 361 to 363 C.E.

DQ1: Sitcom created by Norman Lear?  
DQ2: Character was an adult?  
DQ3: Sitcom set in California?  
DQ4: Character was middle-class?

And the other of **EH** ’s earned DQs: Series had a notable theme song?

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**Author:** ![atimnie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atimnie/32/11_2.png) [@atimnie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/atimnie)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2019/839600/208 "2019-09-11T02:33:23Z")

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1. Fictional
2. Male
3. First name starts with J
4. Did not die in character
5. American
6. Good guy
7. Created in the 70s
8. Originally from British TV, with a name change for American TV, looking for the American name
9. Not sci-fi/fantasy
10. One of the main characters
11. Contemporary setting
12. Alive today… probably
13. Common first name
14. Comedy
15. American version first aired before 2000
16. Not married
17. Caucasian
18. Not associated with NYC
19. Good looking
20. Not named John
21. Aired before 1980
22. Sitcom
23. More than two seasons
24. Not a Norman Lear show
25. Adult
26. Set in California
27. Middle class
28. Notable theme song

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2019/839600/209 "2019-09-11T02:43:30Z")

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It looks like that’s all the DQ’s…

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**Author:** ![atimnie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atimnie/32/11_2.png) [@atimnie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/atimnie)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2019/839600/210 "2019-09-11T03:03:35Z")

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So, do I let you make a guess, or do I post the answer? Really, you should know this. _Somebody_ should know this.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2019/839600/211 "2019-09-11T04:19:13Z")

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You should let us ask our earned “Are you Firstname Lastname?” questions. It’s customary.

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**Author:** ![atimnie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atimnie/32/11_2.png) [@atimnie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/atimnie)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2019/839600/212 "2019-09-11T04:30:40Z")

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Well, then, let’s do that.

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**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2019/839600/213 "2019-09-11T12:51:41Z")

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> [@atimnie](#):
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> So, do I let you make a guess, or do I post the answer? Really, you should know this. _Somebody_ should know this.

I can’t speak for **EH** or the **Prof** , but I can’t think of any British sitcom remade as an American series prior to about 1990. Maybe _Sanford and Son_/_Steptoe and Son_, but those series ran concurrently (both started in 1962, according to Wikipedia), so it’s hard to say who copied whom. Not to mention _Sanford and Son_ not having a white main character. I thought perhaps Jodie Whittaker from _Family Affair_ as well, but he was a child.

Otherwise, what we have is a comedy character in California in the 60s or 70s, named Jim, James, Jamie, Jodie, Joe, or Joseph. I grew up in the 80s, so I’m a bit spotty about sitcoms from earlier.

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**Author:** ![atimnie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atimnie/32/11_2.png) [@atimnie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/atimnie)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2019/839600/214 "2019-09-11T13:03:42Z")

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_Otherwise, what we have is a comedy character in California in the 60s or 70s, named Jim, James, Jamie, Jodie, Joe, or Joseph._  
There’s a few names missing from that list, one of those missing names is the name of the character.

So, earned questions, last guesses, however you want to phrase it, do it before tomorrow.

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**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2019/839600/215 "2019-09-11T13:09:43Z")

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Are you Jack Tripper from Three’s Company?

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**Author:** ![atimnie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atimnie/32/11_2.png) [@atimnie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/atimnie)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2019/839600/216 "2019-09-11T13:23:12Z")

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Yes! I am Jack Tripper! And as a prize for winning this round, you get to take over.

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**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2019/839600/217 "2019-09-11T13:28:51Z")

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Son of a bitch! Jack _just_ occurred to me, and I rushed back to post to find that **K.O.** KO’d me! Well done, **Knowed Out**!

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2019/839600/218 "2019-09-11T13:47:01Z")

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Good job, KO!

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**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2019/839600/219 "2019-09-11T13:57:12Z")

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I had forgotten the show was a remake, but the California clue set off my “ding ding ding” bells.

Let’s go with L.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-september-2019/839600/220 "2019-09-11T14:03:14Z")

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I was thinking _All in the Family_, but the timing, setting etc. was wrong. I didn’t know, or had forgotten, that _Three’s Company_ was an American adaptation of a British show: [Man About the House - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_About_the_House)

Good job, **KO**!

On to L…

IQs:

Did you work closely with William Herndon?  
Were you the wife of that person?  
Did you look a lot like Leonardo DiCaprio in your youth?

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