# Botticelli -- Thread #4

**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-thread-4/396197
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
**Created:** [March 16, 2007, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-thread-4/396197 "2007-03-16T13:48:16Z")
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### Author: ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)
#### Post date: [March 16, 2007, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-thread-4/396197/1 "2007-03-16T13:48:16Z")

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Guessers in threads [Boticelli, Part II](http://208.100.26.199/sdmb/showthread.php?t=412289) and [Botticelli – Round 3](http://208.100.26.199/sdmb/showthread.php?t=412425) appear to be away from their respective games at the moment, so here’s a fresh thread to get a new game going.

To save time, I’m using the same variations we had in Version 3 and have copied what I said in that thread below. If you played in Round 3, nothing’s new here. If you didn’t play there, please be sure you understand how we’re interpreting rules in this thread.

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[Wanna play Botticelli?](http://208.100.26.199/sdmb/showthread.php?t=412154) was started Tuesday morning with one variation to the rules explained in the Wikipedia article [Botticelli (game)](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botticelli_(game)) – which you should read if the game is unfamiliar to you. Our variation was to use TWO initials instead of the ONE mentioned in the article.

In this iteration of the Wikipedia rules, we’ll try to follow these variations until they cause us problems we can’t solve:

1. Please label your Guess as either IQ (Indirect Question) or DQ (Direct Question) so that the Chooser (the Doper who has selected the name all others are trying to guess) can know the type of answer to be given to that guess.

2. The Chooser has these options for answers, depending on whether the Question is Indirect or Direct:

2-I1): If the Chooser knows someone for whom the Guesser’s initials apply – whether or not those initials might apply to the Chooser’s chosen Identity – the Chooser may answer: “No, I am not \<the other person for whom the initials work\>” and that particular Guesser remains in Indirect Mode.

2-I2): If the Chooser cannot identify someone – (including the Chooser’s chosen Identity) – with the attributes provided by the Guesser, the Chooser may answer “No, and I don’t know who you mean.” which allows that particular Guesser **ONE Direct Question**. The Guesser should quote the Chooser’s response and label the Direct Question as such, so the Chooser will know the options available for the follow-up question.

2-I3): If the Guesser’s criteria match with the Chooser’s Identity – AND the Chooser is unable to name someone else with those same initials who also matches the criteria – The Chooser must answer “Yes, I am \<Identity’s name\>” **thereby giving that Guesser a win** of the game.

2-D): Legitimate answers are “Yes,” “No,” and “I don’t know.” Additional details are permissible but not required. Chooser gives extra information at his/her own risk. The “I don’t know” response allows that Guesser an additional DQ. Again, the Guesser should quote Chooser’s response and label the follow-up as DQ.

1. Whether in response to an IQ or a DQ (in both types of Guesses this will be legal for the Guesser) if the Guess is “Are you \<some specific person with the initials in question\>?” (as opposed to someone with defined characteristics) the Chooser’s answers must be either “Yes” or “No” and, if “Yes” then the Guesser wins the game.

2. The Chosen Identity – in this particular thread – must be an actual person, dead or alive, but someone who has actually lived.

3. The Indirect Question(s) may refer to real or fictional people, characters or personages in fictional works, but must be Proper Names. Example: if the Chooser’s Identity’s initials are RS, then “rolling stone” or “red snake” or “rotting spinach” would not be legal entities to which Guesser’s attributes apply.

4. Both Guesser and Chooser should quote the post to which he or she is responding. This should avoid much confusion!

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For other fine points not covered in the Wikipedia article, **Zeldar** will arbitrate any disputed issues in this thread. Those Dopers who wish to select other variations and/or other interpretations of the rules, are urged to start another thread.

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Just for reference to future Choosers, these initials have been used in previous games:

In Thread 1:

FC  
EM

In Thread 2:

DG  
BG  
LP  
RG  
FB  
RW  
MW – not yet solved ( **anyrose** )

In Thread 3:

TL  
JW  
CF  
RM – Not yet solved ( **Sternvogel** )  
CC – Not yet solved ( **Taber** )

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First Round: My initials are JR

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### Author: ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [March 16, 2007, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-thread-4/396197/2 "2007-03-16T14:48:03Z")

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[QUOTE=Zeldar]  
First Round: My initials are JR  
[/QUOTE]

Was your father a Dane named Rasmussen?

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### Author: ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)
#### Post date: [March 16, 2007, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-thread-4/396197/3 "2007-03-16T14:52:09Z")

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[QUOTE=Johnny L.A.]  
Was your father a Dane named Rasmussen?  
[/QUOTE]

No, and I don’t know your person. DQ right off the bat. How’s your MGB?

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### Author: ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [March 16, 2007, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-thread-4/396197/4 "2007-03-16T14:57:18Z")

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[QUOTE=Zeldar]  
No, and I don’t know your person. DQ right off the bat. How’s your MGB?  
[/QUOTE]

Janet Reno.

DQ: Are you male?

Drove it about five miles. Steering’s a little quicker than the Jeep. 😉 I washed the schmutz off of the car, dried it, and covered it up before the rain started.

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### Author: ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)
#### Post date: [March 16, 2007, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-thread-4/396197/5 "2007-03-16T15:02:15Z")

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[QUOTE=Johnny L.A.]  
Janet Reno.

DQ: Are you male?

Drove it about five miles. Steering’s a little quicker than the Jeep. 😉 I washed the schmutz off of the car, dried it, and covered it up before the rain started.

[/QUOTE]

No

I’m almost proud I didn’t know about Reno! 😃

I know I mentioned before that I had a 64 MGB for 13 years. Really miss it. Fun car.

JR is:

Not male

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### Author: ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [March 16, 2007, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-thread-4/396197/6 "2007-03-16T15:04:17Z")

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IQ: Were you on _The Honeymonners_?

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### Author: ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)
#### Post date: [March 16, 2007, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-thread-4/396197/7 "2007-03-16T15:08:06Z")

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[QUOTE=Johnny L.A.]  
IQ: Were you on _The Honeymonners_?  
[/QUOTE]

No, I’m not Joyce Randolph

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BTW, just for reference, here’s how the Botticelli threads have gone over so far:

Who Posted? Thread #1

Total Posts: 166

User Name Posts

Zeldar 55  
Johnny L.A. 43  
Contrapuntal 27  
MonkeyMensch 9  
Enginerd 6  
silenus 5  
Elendil’s Heir 5  
Sternvogel 3  
ArizonaTeach 3  
capybara 2  
Plynck 2  
Sonia Montdore 1  
Taber 1  
anyrose 1  
Pygmy Rugger 1  
MacTech 1  
DaphneBlack 1

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Who Posted? Thread #2

Total Posts: 324

User Name Posts

Zeldar 73  
dnooman 60  
Enginerd 59  
Johnny L.A. 53  
Diogenes the Cynic 30  
Sternvogel 16  
anyrose 12  
Contrapuntal 12  
Fretful Porpentine 3  
MadTheSwine 2  
Taber 2  
Revenant Threshold 2

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Who Posted? Thread #3

Total Posts: 142

User Name Posts

Zeldar 62  
Sternvogel 24  
Enginerd 18  
Johnny L.A. 13  
Contrapuntal 9  
Fretful Porpentine 5  
Taber 3  
Revenant Threshold 2  
brewha 2  
SurrenderDorothy 1  
Smitty 1  
kurilla 1  
hocow 1

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### Author: ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [March 16, 2007, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-thread-4/396197/8 "2007-03-16T15:09:47Z")

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Are you an annoying old skeleton who has won a Clio?

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### Author: ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)
#### Post date: [March 16, 2007, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-thread-4/396197/9 "2007-03-16T15:12:31Z")

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[QUOTE=Johnny L.A.]  
Are you an annoying old skeleton who has won a Clio?  
[/QUOTE]

Man, I sure hope not. Not a clue. DQ time.

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### Author: ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)
#### Post date: [March 16, 2007, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-thread-4/396197/10 "2007-03-16T15:14:30Z")

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IQ: Are you an American poet and major figure in the New Critical movement?

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### Author: ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [March 16, 2007, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-thread-4/396197/11 "2007-03-16T15:15:44Z")

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[QUOTE=Zeldar]  
Man, I sure hope not. Not a clue. DQ time.  
[/QUOTE]

Well, the ‘annoying old skeleton’ is my personal take. Since it may not be factual, you can choose not to answer the DQ.

Joan Rivers

DQ: Are you alive?

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### Author: ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)
#### Post date: [March 16, 2007, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-thread-4/396197/12 "2007-03-16T15:19:56Z")

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[QUOTE=Fretful Porpentine]  
IQ: Are you an American poet and major figure in the New Critical movement?  
[/QUOTE]

No, and I don’t know who you mean. DQ coming.

> [@Johnny L.A.](#):
>
> Well, the ‘annoying old skeleton’ is my personal take. Since it may not be factual, you can choose not to answer the DQ.
> 
> Joan Rivers
> 
> DQ: Are you alive?

Yes

It’s factual. 😃

JR is:

Female  
Alive

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### Author: ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [March 16, 2007, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-thread-4/396197/13 "2007-03-16T15:21:38Z")

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Did you advertise bras for ‘full-figured gals’?

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### Author: ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)
#### Post date: [March 16, 2007, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-thread-4/396197/14 "2007-03-16T15:23:20Z")

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[QUOTE=Johnny L.A.]  
Did you advertise bras for ‘full-figured gals’?  
[/QUOTE]

Damn, Boy, you guess my stuff too fast! Yes, I’m Jane Russell!

Your go, Johnny.

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### Author: ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)
#### Post date: [March 16, 2007, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-thread-4/396197/15 "2007-03-16T15:23:24Z")

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DQ for John Crowe Ransom:

Are you involved with the visual or performing arts?

**ETA:** Oh well, never mind.

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### Author: ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [March 16, 2007, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-thread-4/396197/16 "2007-03-16T15:24:49Z")

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New game.

I’m DA.

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### Author: ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)
#### Post date: [March 16, 2007, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-thread-4/396197/17 "2007-03-16T15:25:51Z")

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[QUOTE=Fretful Porpentine]  
DQ for John Crowe Ransom:

Are you involved with the visual or performing arts?

**ETA:** Oh well, never mind.  
[/QUOTE]

I have at least heard of Ransom.

Johnny guessed me right. Jane Russell. So, I guess the answer to your question is a decided “Yes.” 😃

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### Author: ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)
#### Post date: [March 16, 2007, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-thread-4/396197/18 "2007-03-16T15:26:55Z")

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[QUOTE=Johnny L.A.]  
New game.

I’m DA.  
[/QUOTE]

IQ: Do you provide 42 as a universal constant?

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### Author: ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [March 16, 2007, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-thread-4/396197/19 "2007-03-16T15:29:47Z")

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[QUOTE=Zeldar]  
IQ: Do you provide 42 as a universal constant?  
[/QUOTE]

No, I’m not Douglas Adams.

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### Author: ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)
#### Post date: [March 16, 2007, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-thread-4/396197/20 "2007-03-16T15:31:14Z")

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[QUOTE=Johnny L.A.]  
New game.

I’m DA.  
[/QUOTE]

IQ: Did you like to talk to your shoe?

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