# Botticelli
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli/447932
**Category:** Thread Games
**Created:** [May 3, 2008, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli/447932 "2008-05-03T21:23:09Z")
**Posts on this page:** 15
**Page:** 12
### Author:  [@divemaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/divemaster)
#### Post date: [May 5, 2008, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli/447932/221 "2008-05-05T13:25:22Z")
[QUOTE=WF Tomba]
**divemaster** ,… you all get DQs.
[/QUOTE]
The part-time Mets outfielder is Moises Alou
DQ: Is English your native language?
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### Author:  [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [May 5, 2008, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli/447932/222 "2008-05-05T13:32:44Z")
Mariotto Albertinelli is the Italian Renaissance painter.
You said MA is not a political figure in the usual sense. Hm…
DQ: Though not political, were you involved in a political scandal?
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### Author:  [@as\_u\_wish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/as_u_wish)
#### Post date: [May 5, 2008, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli/447932/223 "2008-05-05T13:45:31Z")
My indirect questions was: “Do you you love long black dresses and men who who are francophiles?” The answer is Morticia Addams.
Direct Question: Are you an author?
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### Author:  [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)
#### Post date: [May 5, 2008, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli/447932/224 "2008-05-05T13:55:28Z")
:smack:
I should have gotten Morticia Addams and Moises Alou.
**MA is** [ul]
[li]male[/li][li]not alive[/li][li]not fictional[/li][li]not an actor[/li][li]not a political figure[/li][li]not associated with sports[/li][li]not a person who died in the last 50 years[/li][li]not a scientist[/li][li]European[/li][li]not alive during the American Revolutionary War[/li][li]a native speaker of English[/li][li]not involved in a political scandal[/li][li]an author[/li][/ul]
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### Author:  [@divemaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/divemaster)
#### Post date: [May 5, 2008, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli/447932/225 "2008-05-05T14:22:39Z")
[QUOTE=WF Tomba]
**MA is** [ul]
[li]male[/li][li]not alive[/li][li]not fictional[/li][li]not an actor[/li][li]not a political figure[/li][li]not associated with sports[/li][li]not a person who died in the last 50 years[/li][li]not a scientist[/li][li]European[/li][li]not alive during the American Revolutionary War[/li][li]a native speaker of English[/li][li]not involved in a political scandal[/li][li]an author[/li][/ul]
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Oops, I think I guessed too soon
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### Author:  [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)
#### Post date: [May 5, 2008, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli/447932/226 "2008-05-05T14:37:39Z")
[QUOTE=WF Tomba]
… **Elendil’s Heir** , you all get DQs.
[/QUOTE]
The Irish snooker champ was Mark Allen.
DQ: As an author, are you best known for your fiction?
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### Author:  [@as\_u\_wish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/as_u_wish)
#### Post date: [May 5, 2008, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli/447932/227 "2008-05-05T14:43:11Z")
Did Eleanor Roosevelt stand by you?
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### Author:  [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [May 5, 2008, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli/447932/228 "2008-05-05T14:43:44Z")
IQ: Were you a poet whose father was headmaster of Rugby School?
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### Author:  [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)
#### Post date: [May 5, 2008, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli/447932/229 "2008-05-05T15:40:15Z")
I am not best known for fiction, I don’t know who Eleanor Roosevelt stood by, and **Johnny L.A.** has won the round.
[QUOTE=Johnny L.A.]
IQ: Were you a poet whose father was headmaster of Rugby School?
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Yes, I am Matthew Arnold!
:confetti:
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### Author:  [@divemaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/divemaster)
#### Post date: [May 5, 2008, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli/447932/230 "2008-05-05T16:08:10Z")
That was my guess too, but I thought I could only do so via a DQ. So we can guess via an IQ? The last time I played this was 20+ years ago so I apologize for my confusion.
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### Author:  [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)
#### Post date: [May 5, 2008, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli/447932/231 "2008-05-05T16:23:31Z")
[QUOTE=divemaster]
That was my guess too, but I thought I could only do so via a DQ. So we can guess via an IQ? The last time I played this was 20+ years ago so I apologize for my confusion.
[/QUOTE]
I think it has to be possible to win on an Indirect; otherwise what would happen if Johnny had just been trying to stump me with Matthew Arnold?
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### Author:  [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [May 5, 2008, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli/447932/232 "2008-05-05T16:46:41Z")
[QUOTE=WF Tomba]
Yes, I am Matthew Arnold!
:confetti:
[/QUOTE]
Woohoo! 🙂
That was a hard one!
**divemaster** : Yes, the identity can be guessed in Indirect:
> [@](#):
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> **Indirect Mode**
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> In **indirect mode** , the guessers take turns (either in sequence or informally) to think of someone with the designated initial letter. These guesser choices do not have to conform to any other information so far acquired about the chooser’s identity (e.g. male, non-fiction, still alive).
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> Each guesser asks the chooser a yes/no question using some detail of the guesser’s choice. For example, if the letter is B then the guesser might choose Yul Brynner and ask, “Are you bald?” At this point, the chooser has three possible responses:
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> [ul][li]“No, I am not Frank Black.” — The chooser has either guessed the guesser’s chosen person, or has thought of another person who fits the same criteria. (Even if the guesser was thinking of the chooser’s chosen person, a correct “No I am not” that names a different person is allowed, if it fits the questioned criteria.) The game remains in indirect mode, and moves to the next guesser. [/li][li]“No, and I don’t know who you’re thinking of.” — The chooser can’t think of someone meeting the criteria. The guesser reveals their answer, and the game changes to direct mode. (If guesser was thinking of the chooser’s person, then the guesser wins.) [/li][li]\*\*“Yes, I am Yul Brynner.” — The chooser’s identity meets the criterion of the guesser’s question, and the chooser cannot think of anyone else who satisfies it. The guesser wins. \*\*[/ul][/li]Guessers can use indirect mode to guess the chooser’s identity directly (e.g. “Are you Yul Brynner?”)
I’m working now, but I’ll start a new game this afternoon.
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### Author:  [@as\_u\_wish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/as_u_wish)
#### Post date: [May 5, 2008, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli/447932/233 "2008-05-05T18:17:40Z")
Eleanor Roosevelt (and several thousand others) resigned from the Daughters of the American Revolution when the DAR refused to let Marian Anderson (a black woman) perform in their hall. Contralto Anderson then performed on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial to a gazillion people.
I had two more MA “indirects” ready. Just to keep people busy until you return with the new game, I’ll post them.
Unbelievably easy: Are you the greatest? Yes, I know you aren’t
Muhammed Ali
More complex: Did both Tallulah Bankhead and Greta Garbo star in adaptations of your novel about headwear? You aren’t
Michael Arlen who wrote The Green Hat
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### Author:  [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)
#### Post date: [May 5, 2008, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli/447932/234 "2008-05-05T20:57:25Z")
You guys are killers. Even after learning their names, I had no idea who either of them were.
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### Author:  [@divemaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/divemaster)
#### Post date: [May 6, 2008, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli/447932/235 "2008-05-06T00:01:57Z")
> [@](#):
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> Guessers can use indirect mode to guess the chooser’s identity directly (e.g. “Are you Yul Brynner?”)
Oh gee. That’s what I did when I posted but had the horrifying feeling that I had committed a major Botticelli faux pas and ruined the round so I hurridly edited my post. Anyway, y’all have fun with it as I have to travel for work until Thursday.
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