Any response to the above post is clearly a waste of time.
Er…this is his stated reason for running for president of the NRA, not for joining the NRA, which he did when he was a teenager. Your glee is unwarranted. You have failed to suoport your allegation.
Susanann, while I am broadly in agreement with grienspace, my young heart is still belaboured with childish naiveté and idealism :rolleyes:; here goes:
Once again you respond to analysis and evidence with an unproven and completely demolished assertion, an assertion that proves that you:
- Lied about the evidence you were giving;
- Don’t care when that evidence was proven false;
- Think that one case applies to all, for some reason that completely befuddles me.
So just what is your problem?
-Ulterior
A little hint that might help with understanding…In order to understand, you must first read and comprehend what people are saying rather than to ignore what they are clearly saying and instead imply that they are saying silly things that you have a counterargument for.
Well, I think the implication from what Moore said was that he was a junior member when he was young because he participated in markmanship competitions. However, he became a lifetime member because he was considering the bid for the presidency of the NRA, and since he didn’t meet the 5-previous years membership requirement his only option was to buy the membership.
Read the quote again. “The rules said that to run for president, you had to be a member for the past five years or buy a lifetime membership for $750. And that’s what I did.” See, there are two options. One is being a member for the past five years. The other is buying a lifetime membership. Only one of those two would properly fit the next sentence, “And that’s what I did.”
I’ll help you, it’s not the first one.
As for Susanann, she has revealed herself for what she is. I suggest we no longer bother anymore.
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It seems he’s been a member for a long time, but “reaffirmed” his membership recently with the intent to dismantle the NRA as a gun rights organization.
Why doesv he explicitly say that guns are not the cause of American viloence in the film?
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I don’t know - to keep his movie from being dismissed outright? If it wasn’t a gun issue, why the big emotional bullshit scene of leaving the girls picture on heston’s porch or whatever? Why the Heston thing at all?
In addition to the actual bowlingforcolombine.com faq:
First cite I found.
"Three years ago I was thinking about what I could do to raise peoples’ consciousness with regards to gun control.
“My first thought was to update my membership in the NRA, run against Chuck Heston, win and then dismantle the organization. Then I thought, nah, I’ll make a movie instead.”
It sounds to me like the quote about running for president is a joke.
He dismisses guns as a cause of violence by pointing to Canada as a vcountry with the same amount of guns and no violence. He makes absolutely no argument in the movie to outlaw guns.
He seemed to be pretty serious in the bowlingforcolumbine.com FAQ - that he seriously wanted to do it but it was too time consuming.
And I take back what I said - he didn’t seem to ‘reaffirm’ his membership, rather, he seems to have let it lapse at some point and renewed it.
In any case, if it’s not about gun control, why is the whole heston bashing thing in there?
While I wouldn’t have framed my responses as Susanann did, a quick glance at the CDC’s National Institute for Health Statistics annual Death reports (a compilation of deaths-by-cause statistics) does indeed show a homicide rate disproportionately slanted towards a narrow demographic of blacks: Black Males ages 18 to 24-25 (I can’t recall exactly which at the moment).
I am not suggesting any racially motivated clap-trap here; just a raw fact.
Suicide rates were disproportionately high for White Males, but can’t recall which age bracket(s). I’ll dig up some numbers later after I get home from work.
What would be so bad about changing the focus of the NRA from Gun Rights to Gun Safety? You can still hav ethe gun rights agenda, but promoting safer ownership and use of guns.
I fail to see why that would be so bad.
I hope you are not suggesting that the United States government is engaging in “racially motivated clap-trap”?
I simply reported the raw facts from the official United States government U.S. Department of Justice · Office of Justice Programs Bureau of Justice Statistics reports:
51.5% of all murders over the past 25 years were commited by blacks. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
Who commited the most murders in the United States over the past 25 years is more than a “slant”.
The suicide rates in the United States are among the lowest in the developed world, compared to other countries like Russia, Finland, Denmark, Canada, Austria, Germany, Japan, etc.
http://christianparty.net/suicide.htm . There are few countries in the developed world with lower suicide rates than the United States.
The United States government U.S. Department of Justice · Office of Justice Programs Bureau of Justice Statistics reports:
that over the past 25 years, 59.2% of all felony murders were committed by blacks.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
over the past 25 years, 60.7% of all felony murders were committed by blacks and other minorities.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
over the past 25 years, only 39.2% of all felony murders were commtted by whites.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
By analyzing and breaking down the murder statistics, such as the FBI does, “most” of America, and the overwelming land area of the United States, does not have a very high murder rate at all when compared to other similar countries.
Thus, the “gross aggregate homoide rate” reported for all of the United States, when muliplied by .392, puts the murder rates among European americans in the range of most other European countries in the world and far from being called a dangerous place.
When further adding in that Americans can choose to carry guns for self-defense in 33 states, the chances of an armed American being murdered, is extremely low, if not the lowest, and no other country in the world would be safer for an armed American who did not live in the 3% of America where most murders occur.
Susanann you are seriously infected.
That’s nice, Susanann. Now that you’ve proven yourself facially capable of reading and regurgitating statistics when it suits your purposes, are you going to bother to address me or any of the other posters above who demolished your ridiculously false assertion that “[n]early every Canadian province which borders a U.S. state, has a HIGHER murder rate than a U.S. state that borders it”? Go on, take a shot at it.
Beyond that, the difficulty with your logic, Susanann, is that earlier you call Canada’s lower proportion of blacks a reason why we have fewer homicides. In doing so, you imply that having a large black population is a causal phenomenon in the commission of murder, and thus, under any circumstances, regardless of the country in question, blacks have a propensity to commit murder. Is that what you’re trying to say?
-Ulterior
TwistofFate wrote:
Emphasis mine. For over 130 years the NRA was just that, an organization promoting hunter education, gun safety, marksmanship programs, and training military and law enforcement. It has only been in the last 20-25 years, with the proliferation of anti-gun rights organizations, that the NRA has also added a gun rights platform into their organizational structure.
Actually, I’ve drawn the opposite conclusion. for example Susanann states with cite :
Now if you check out her referenced “cite” you will read
Clearly, a 100% contradiction of her stated assertion as she know doubt is confused with exactly what issue she is defending, It must be difficult to defend school prayer/guns/anti-abortion etc all at the same time 
Well I did say “facially.” 
Despite what it seems like in the press, the NRA is still about gun safety. They hold gun safety courses, run tests, visit schools to talk about gun safety (if you see a gun, never touch it) using Eddie the Eagle, run competitions, etc. The majority of what they do in the mundane real world has nothing to do with lobbying, it’s just that is what gets the attention.
I just have to add that Susanann does not speak for the vast, overwhelming majority of gun owners. She does us a great disservice by spouting her bizarre, racially tinged views.