# Bowling For Columbine: Fact or Fiction **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 13, 2003, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bowling-for-columbine-fact-or-fiction/174894 "2003-05-13T06:01:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2003, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bowling-for-columbine-fact-or-fiction/174894/101 "2003-05-15T19:51:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elucidator \* > \*\*Piffle. Your own agenda is about as subtle as nipple rings on a hog. You don’t like contradiction, you got the wrong board. Next time, take a cue from **december** (of _your_ ilk) and title it something like “Why Does Michael Moore Hate America So Much?”. \*\* _Riiiiiiiiight_. I’m a _SOCIALIST_. I’m just not so bloody polarized that I cannot see reality when it is presented to me. I do not deny truth because it goes against the worldview I’d like to believe in. This thread was created for what I stated in the OP: I wanted to know if the aspersions cast against Moore were true. Trying to tar me with a Rumsfeldian brush as if I was Ashcroft, wanting to stomp on the rights of Americans is not only absurd, it is insane. I agreed with what Moore said at the Oscars, even if I thought that he could have presented himself in a manner far better than the smug and cutesy way he came off. This is not about disliking contradiction. This is about how you have forcefully hijacked this thread for your agenda and are insulting those who disagree with you. You have come off as hysterical and shrill as the former senator who was interviewed on Talk of the Nation today. It strikes me that you dislike contradiction. Not only are dissenters wrong, we’re all on the side of Bush, and are all for destruction. It ain’t necessarily so. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2003, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bowling-for-columbine-fact-or-fiction/174894/102 "2003-05-15T20:24:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > \*\*Heston made his racist comments in the interview with Moore, not in any speech. There was nothing deceptive about it. Most of the so-called “debunking” of BFC is total shite. There were accusations for instance that Moore staged the scene where he received a gun in a bank. Those accusations were false. Moore was also accused of lying about the Columbine killers going bowling on the morning of the killings. There is conflicting eyewitness testimony on this but several witnesses did tell Moore that they had seen Klebold and Harris there that day. What we’re left with is some selective editing of speeches which are basically irrelevant. Moore is a genius who shows the right-wing in this country for what it is and the only way they can respond is with lying, slandering hatchet pieces in lying, slandering, right-wing rags. \*\* I tend to think you’re right, Diogynes - but you’re a Cynic, so I hope you’re understand when I ask you for a cite if you seriously want to debunk the debunking of BFC. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![DaveX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/96bed5/32.png) [@DaveX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaveX)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2003, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bowling-for-columbine-fact-or-fiction/174894/103 "2003-05-15T21:09:52Z")
With apologies to **Mockingbird, Senor Beef,** et al… > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Mockingbird:_ > Originally posted by DaveX > Senor Beef: > > I understand your opinion that the NRA did the correct thing, but my opinion is they didn’t. Not really a fact either way, right? Just differing opinions. That’s all I intended with my original post (since the meeting “had to be held on the scheduled day” was presented as a fact). > > ## And Hansel: To clarify my point, while the law may require an annual meeting, I’m pretty sure it doesn’t specify a place and time (IANAL, however ). The decision not to postpone or relocate certainly was a decision made by the NRA. I think it was the wrong one. Others disagree. > > So, you, elucidator(ironic name choice there) and the rest of your ilk are content to ignore this thread for what it is and are dragging this off for your own agenda. > > As the question I asked was answered and then some, could the Mods please close this thread? My point was not to drag this thread into the “they are wrong” bash that it has become. If you read my original post I was actually agreeing with the fact that a lot of the information seems fabricated. My only point was that the ‘meeting is required by law’ (and there by insinuating that the NRA’s hands were tied) was presented as a “fact” to refute some of the information in the movie. I thought I adequately demonstrated that. I only mentioned my (and Senor Beefs as a counterpoint) opinion to help portray that. I hardly think that relegates me to **ilk** status… ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2003, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bowling-for-columbine-fact-or-fiction/174894/104 "2003-05-15T22:16:28Z")
Um… I didn’t consider you part of that, and I’m afraid your perception of the accusation is just that: your perception. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bowling-for-columbine-fact-or-fiction/174894.md?page=5)