# Boxing sucks. That's the bottom line. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2005, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boxing-sucks-thats-the-bottom-line/307960 "2005-06-12T11:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![The\_Highwayman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@The\_Highwayman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Highwayman)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boxing-sucks-thats-the-bottom-line/307960/41 "2005-06-12T18:59:38Z")
_THAN_ :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Avenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Avenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avenger)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boxing-sucks-thats-the-bottom-line/307960/42 "2005-06-12T19:00:52Z")
Kevin McBride once lost a fight to a fat guy with a 15-16 career record. It’s not racist to say he’s crap! ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boxing-sucks-thats-the-bottom-line/307960/43 "2005-06-12T19:02:48Z")
> [@The Highwayman](#): > > The heavy weight division is no longer any good cause a white guy holds the title? Tex Cobb, Clooney, and McBride are chumps? Tyson is washed up because he lost to a (gasp) WHITE BOY? I have news for you and some of these dumbass posters in here: The white athlete is just as good as anyone else. The Irish boxer, when he dominated, boxed without gloves in contests that would go into the 100+ rounds. There was a ten count but as soon as you _started_ to get back up, the other guy could begin to pummel you again. They would continue to box with one of their eyes hanging out of it’s socket. The person who implied that Irish and English boxers are chumps needs to stand their and let me sock them in their fucken face to see how weak an Irish/English person can hit. > > But back to the racism in American sports: Don’t you know that white boys can’t jump? I got it a lot of this in high school. You need to be a certain color for this or that sport. It was all bullshit. Recently, Larry Bird sits there on TV and talks about how white people can’t play basketball while Anthony and James laugh about it. The funny part is that they then go to the Olympics as another incarnation of the “dream team” and lose to some Europeans who apparently didn’t get the word that they weren’t supposed to be good. The irony was better than any media overreaction which would have occured if it was a white guy saying anything about any other race. It all goes to show, > > Don’t believe the hype. I AM a white boy, and you know what? I know a palooka when I see it. Tex Cobb is lucky he can still walk. He’s the toughest man I ever saw, but when all was said and done after the fight he looked like the side of beef in Rocky. Cooney got pounded so many times he was like Golota: a decent ham-and-egger that just can’t get it done against quality opponents. McBride? Read the article. He’s almost over the hill, fighting a quitter, and prior to this fight he had very little to reommend himself. Of course, beating Tyson isn’t anything special anymore, either. Of all the times to pull out race. You’re ridiculous. And that from someone who has gone against affirmative action in the past and despises people who claim racism left and right. Let me clue you in on something: NOT EVERYTHING IN THIS COUNTRY IS ABOUT RACE. ---
**Author:** ![Avenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Avenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avenger)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boxing-sucks-thats-the-bottom-line/307960/44 "2005-06-12T19:05:19Z")
> [@Avenger](#): > > Kevin McBride once lost a fight to a fat guy with a 15-16 career record. It’s not racist to say he’s crap! I should have mentioned that the fat guy was on a 7 fight losing streak previous to fighting McBride… ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boxing-sucks-thats-the-bottom-line/307960/45 "2005-06-12T19:24:16Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > Let me clue you in on something: NOT EVERYTHING IN THIS COUNTRY IS ABOUT RACE. Maybe not, but, according to the Newfield article i linked above, race _is_ a factor in the current awful state of boxing. This has nothing to do with whether blacks or whites are “naturally” better boxers, but it does have to do with the financial attraction, for many boxing promoters, of getting a white guy on the card in a championship fight. As Newfield points out: > [@](#): > > These days fights are fixed to build up the records and reputations of white heavyweights who can’t win on their own. Melito is a slow white heavyweight from Queens with a china chin. His father, who manages his son’s career, is a former NYPD detective. > > All the dominant fighters since the 1960s have been black or Latino–Ali, Duran, Roy Jones Jr., Leonard, Hagler, Pryor, Bernard Hopkins, Alexis Arguello, Thomas Herns, Chavez, Trinidad, Mosley, De La Hoya, Whitaker, Holmes, Holyfield. This has created a pathetic yearning for a white boxing star among white fans. This tribal inferiority complex is what helped make the _Rocky movies a box-office bonanza_. There is a huge market for this sort of therapeutic racial-revenge fantasy. It was behind the scam that Mitchell and Williams are accused of running. Mitchell, and others around Melito not yet named, believed that if they could inflate Melito’s record with arranged wins, he could be maneuvered into a big-money fight as the latest white hope. > > \ > > Don King has been a lousy promoter for good black fighters, but he has been an outstanding one for lousy white fighters. King gave the Bayonne Bleeder, Chuck Wepner, a chance to lose to Ali in 1975. His undue influence kept white South African heavyweight Frans Botha much higher in the ratings than he deserved. He gave Gerry Cooney a chance to get knocked out by Larry Holmes in 1982–and he paid Cooney more than he paid the undefeated black champion. He dressed up McNeeley like a Thanksgiving turkey until he fed him to Tyson. > > King was a brilliant, bombastic Barnum in using racial conflict to huckster these black-and-white fights. That was the same agenda behind the Melito buildup. It was just too brazen and transparent to fool the Feds. Promoters like King are, themselves, shameless exploiters of racial tensions in their unending grasp for cash. This article wasn’t written by someone out to get boxing. Newfield wants to save it. He’s been a boxing reporter for over 40 years, working for the _Village Voice_, the _New York Daily News_ and the _New York Post_. He won an Emmy in 1991 for his documentary _Don King: Unauthorized_. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ea5d25/32.png) [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Scrappy_Hero_Pup)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boxing-sucks-thats-the-bottom-line/307960/46 "2005-06-12T19:44:51Z")
> [@The Highwayman](#): > > But I think this thread underscores something of the racism that is in American sports nowadays. The heavy weight division is no longer any good cause a white guy holds the title? No, the heavyweight division is no good because CHUMPS hold the title. The white titleholder is a better boxer than the other three champions and he STILL sucks. (ftr, Vitali Klitschko of the WBC, John Ruiz of the WBO, Chris Byrd of the IBF, and Lamon Brewster of the WBA). There are your champions, and I wouldn’t take any of them against Lennox Lewis or even a 45-year-old Foreman. > [@The Highwayman](#): > > Tex Cobb, Clooney, and McBride are chumps? Umm… yeah, they are. > [@The Highwayman](#): > > Tyson is washed up because he lost to a (gasp) WHITE BOY? No, Tyson is washed up because he lost to Kevin McBride, who, irrespective of the color of his skin, has comparable hand speed to a glacier. Tyson is washed up because he lost to Kevin McBride, a dude who was undergoing HYPNOSIS to increase his pain threshold and calm his performance anxiety. Tyson is washed up because he lost to Kevin McBride, a dude who was some other poor bastard’s only win in seventeen fights. Tyson is washed up because he lost to a SLOW, FRAIDY-CAT, LOSER, that he even picked himfuckingSELF. Race has nothing to do with the fact that Tyson was alloed to pick the biggest loser in boxing, and that loser beat him. Beat him BAD. Beat him to the point where tyson had all of the sixth-round break to think about that one uppercut and decide he’d had enough. Where does race come into any of that, O mighty boxing analyst? > [@](#): > > I have news for you and some of these dumbass posters in here: The white athlete is just as good as anyone else. No one says he’s not. You just wanted to get to this part of your rant: > [@The Highwayman](#): > > The Irish boxer, when he dominated, boxed without gloves in contests that would go into the 100+ rounds. There was a ten count but as soon as you _started_ to get back up, the other guy could begin to pummel you again. They would continue to box with one of their eyes hanging out of it’s socket. which has nothing to do with anything at all. Different eras, different rules, and all that. That was me. I implied that Irish and English boxers are chumps. Regardless of citizenship or lineage, Lennox Lewis is Canadian. Even Kevin McBride is American, for all intents and purposes. It was me that implied that Irish and English boxers are chumps. And I’m Irish, in case you didn’t know. Oh, and about standing there and _letting_ you hit me… you really have no idea what boxing is about, do you? :wally OK, now that we’ve addressed the idiocy of your post by pointing out that you know little about the Tyson fight and NOTHING about boxing, let me use you as an example in my other little pet peeve, highlighting your dumbness yet again: > [@The Highwayman](#): > > The person who implied that Irish and English boxers are chumps needs to stand their and let me sock them in their fucken face to see how weak an Irish/English person can hit. It’s the INTERNET. You have no idea who I am, how big or small I am, what I do, and how capable I am of taking you apart piece by piece. Let me ask you a question, genius. Just how exactly, are you going to make good on this threat of yours? Good grief. There aren’t enough rolleyes to respond to a threat of physical violence over the fucking INTERNET. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Highwayman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@The\_Highwayman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Highwayman)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boxing-sucks-thats-the-bottom-line/307960/47 "2005-06-12T20:03:04Z")
**So, let me get this straight:** Klitschko holds the title, the division is boring, but when Lewis holds the title, it’s not? Because that is what you seem to imply this with: > [@Airman Doors](#): > > OK, so the heavyweight division is washed up. We have a collection of aging palookas carrying the flag in boxing’s premiere division. To your credit you state that Lewis is not fit to hold Tyson’s jock (which there are plenty of people like yourself that would love to), but it seems to me that many boxing aficionados weren’t complaining as much when Lewis did held the title. How is Klitschko less boring than Lewis? And another thing, Holyfield was great and would have been one of the greatest if Tyson would have fought him before Douglas kicked his ass. Seems to me that the most powerful fighter in the Universe was a little hesitant to fight Holyfield back in the day. Oh yeah, Cobb and Clooney were chumps as is McBride. But what about John L. Sullivan or Tunney or Dempsey or Rocky Marciano? Oh I forgot, Marciano had the mob to help him make those opponents take dives right? I would like to see you take one from Suzy Q and stand up on two legs afterwards. As far as the race card, I think racism is ridiculous on both sides. The belief that white people can’t play sports, or be soul singers or whatever is just as idiotic as believing that blacks can’t be intellectuals or businessmen or whatever. But there is a real tendency for BOTH beliefs and they are indicative of a greater problem in our society. I don’t mean to hijack this thread but it seems to me that this conversation was echoing part of this prejudice. My impressions are valid. Either respond to them or not but don’t call me an idiot thinking that that takes me out because it does not. It makes you look like an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Highwayman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@The\_Highwayman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Highwayman)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boxing-sucks-thats-the-bottom-line/307960/48 "2005-06-12T20:31:24Z")
> [@Happy Scrappy Hero Pup](#): > > It was me that implied that Irish and English boxers are chumps. And I’m Irish, in case you didn’t know. > > Oh, and about standing there and letting you hit me… you really have no idea what boxing is about, do you? Whoa! That’s some real mental rope-a-dope. Irish and English boxers are chumps _BUT_ if I threw a punch at you, your superior Irish skill would help you dodge it? It’s a good thing I’m Irish too which would mean that I wouldn’t really know how to punch in the first place and that would help you inaffectually dodge it right? ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boxing-sucks-thats-the-bottom-line/307960/49 "2005-06-12T21:38:44Z")
> [@The Highwayman](#): > > Whoa! That’s some real mental rope-a-dope. Irish and English boxers are chumps _BUT_ if I threw a punch at you, your superior Irish skill would help you dodge it? It’s a good thing I’m Irish too which would mean that I wouldn’t really know how to punch in the first place and that would help you inaffectually dodge it right? You really are a bit thick, aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Highwayman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@The\_Highwayman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Highwayman)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boxing-sucks-thats-the-bottom-line/307960/50 "2005-06-12T21:54:01Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > You really are a bit thick, aren’t you? Nice one. I mean, I’m speechless… Your ability to argue your point (whatever it is) is incomprehensible. Really. Your argument has completely ruined me. Your arguing ability, like pup’s boxing prowess, is intangibly brilliant. I am in awe. Between your dethroning counter argument and Scrappy’s answer to my internet “threat” with an internet counter threat, I don’t know what to do. You really got the best of me. Wow. Put down the the bong dumbass because the only one thick around here is you. Think as a brick. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boxing-sucks-thats-the-bottom-line/307960/51 "2005-06-12T21:59:07Z")
> [@The Highwayman](#): > > Nice one. I mean, I’m speechless… Your ability to argue your point (whatever it is) is incomprehensible. Really. Your argument has completely ruined me. Your arguing ability, like pup’s boxing prowess, is intangibly brilliant. I am in awe. Between your dethroning counter argument and Scrappy’s answer to my internet “threat” with an internet counter threat, I don’t know what to do. You really got the best of me. Wow. > > Put down the the bong dumbass because the only one thick around here is you. Think as a brick. Well, you completely missed the point that the person you were responding to was making. But i guess if you can’t work out what it was, we can’t expect you to formulate an intelligent response. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boxing-sucks-thats-the-bottom-line/307960/52 "2005-06-12T22:01:27Z")
> [@Happy Scrappy Hero Pup](#): > > …There aren’t enough rolleyes to respond to a threat of physical violence over the fucking INTERNET. My electrons are bigger than your electrons. It isn’t widely known, but our current SDMB lead hamster (“Flash Gordo”) recently raped and savaged a wolverine. We bad. I once made a Marine eat a bug. (Well, he was my cousin, and we were like eight at the time, but he became a Marine later…) ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ea5d25/32.png) [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Scrappy_Hero_Pup)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boxing-sucks-thats-the-bottom-line/307960/53 "2005-06-12T22:10:58Z")
How in the world was I threatening you, **Highwayman?** The point I was making was twofold: That if you expect people to stand there and let you hit them, you’re stupid, and that if you’re threatening people over the internet, you’re stupid. That’s all. Get over yourself and find a different thread to shit in, because your idiocy is making you look worse and worse. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boxing-sucks-thats-the-bottom-line/307960/54 "2005-06-12T22:13:24Z")
But serially, folks… I love prizefighting. I dig the shit out of watching tapes and films of Ali when he was God. He was _beautiful_, and I mean Sistine Chapel beautiful. But its awful, and cruel, and dark. For every one who makes the big time, there’s a thousand young men getting thier nuerons scrambled for chump change, being a professional boxer is no better than being a professional meth addict. Don King feeds on the blood of the living, he’s an convicted murderer who’s moved down scale to prizefight promoter. A prizefight promoter combines the compassion of a banker and the morals of a pimp. I would vote to outlaw prizefighting in a heartbeat, without a moment’s hesitation. And if there’s a good match on tonight, between a couple of serious contenders, I’ll probably watch. As always, purity eludes me. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Highwayman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@The\_Highwayman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Highwayman)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boxing-sucks-thats-the-bottom-line/307960/55 "2005-06-12T23:13:22Z")
**Happy Scrappy Hero Pup** , just because you say it, doesn’t make it so. First off, you stated, that you were the one who implied that Irish and English boxers were chumps. Go look it up again if you doubt me recounting your own words. Was I supposed to catch something there? Was that statement hyperbole, rhetoric, or sarcasm? Since it was stated in the midst of an argument rendered, apparently up until that point, without any literary device, I assumed it was in the same stylistic framework. Fuck me for thinking you people maintain the same style within paragraphs without fair warning. Then you state, DIRECTLY AFTERWARDS, in a seeming machismo induced stupor, answering my internet “threat” with one as pointless of your own. It was humorous to me because you just got through talking about how useless internet threats are. It’s okay, you can admit it, it’s right there for the world to see. However, I agree on this point. I should have stipulated in my first post that I was speaking rhetorically towards no one in particular. Anyone who knows how to fight never thinks that they can beat an unknown opponent at random. That would be stupid. But at least you make a point to back your argument to some degree. This I appreciate. I really think that I deserve more respect. I want some better insults. I promise not to hold a grudge. **Mhendo** really needs to learn this trick because he is sounding like a dumbass. I have no inclination to reward his unsupported insults with a remark. However, I’ll give him a chance to redeem himself. Elucidator deserves my utmost respect. Fine phrase turning my friend. One last thing, don’t talk about “shitting” in a thread that includes analysis of Don King’s practices. Give me a fucken break. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boxing-sucks-thats-the-bottom-line/307960/56 "2005-06-12T23:28:31Z")
> [@The Highwayman](#): > > But at least you make a point to back your argument to some degree. This I appreciate. **I really think that I deserve more respect.** I want some better insults. I promise not to hold a grudge. Bolding mine. This from a guy whose first post in this thread contained the following: > [@The Highwayman](#): > > The person who implied that Irish and English boxers are chumps needs to stand their and let me sock them in their fucken face to see how weak an Irish/English person can hit. If you think that is worthy of respect, you’ll be waiting a while to get any. > [@The Highwayman](#): > > **Mhendo** really needs to learn this trick because he is sounding like a dumbass. I have no inclination to reward his unsupported insults with a remark. However, I’ll give him a chance to redeem himself. OK, i’ll spell it out for you, moron. In the sentence i quoted above, you implied that you could refute the notion that Irish and English boxers were chumps by having someone stand in front of you and let you “sock them in their fucken face” (by the way, learn the difference between “their” and “there” douchebag). Then **Happy Scrappy Hero Pup** suggested that this indicates that “you really have no idea what boxing is about.” His point here, if i read him correctly, is that the ability to sock in the face someone who is standing there and not defending himself has absolutely nothing to do with an ability to box, which was the spurious connection that you were drawing. Anyone who has watched more than three minutes of boxing (i’m sure you have) and has more than four functioning neurons (this one i’m not so sure about) knows that there’s a lot more to boxing than the ability to throw a punch. Plenty of hard hitters in the sport of boxing end up on the losing end of the deal because they have no defence, or they have no stamina, or they just lack the skill to land a decent punch. In case you’re having difficulty following this, let me sum it up: the fact that you might be able to hurt someone who is willing to “stand their and let [you] sock them in their fucken face” says absolutely nothing about your ability as a boxer. And it says even less about the ability of Irish and Enlglish boxers as a group. Got it, dumbass? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Highwayman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@The\_Highwayman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Highwayman)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boxing-sucks-thats-the-bottom-line/307960/57 "2005-06-12T23:37:21Z")
Well since we are horribly off topic, why not? Since I take it that you have watched more than, as you say, 3 minutes, I would expect you know that the common person does not generally know how to throw a punch. Now, I’m not saying that I’m a fucken expert but I have taken punches on my chin from people who do not know how. It really doesn’t do much damage. So, I reason that throwing and taking a punch has a great deal to do with boxing. And that’s “MR. DOUCHE BAG” to you. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boxing-sucks-thats-the-bottom-line/307960/58 "2005-06-13T03:55:19Z")
> [@The Highwayman](#): > > And that’s “MR. DOUCHE BAG” to you. Well, let’s hope that one day you can stitch that on the back of a silk robe. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boxing-sucks-thats-the-bottom-line/307960/59 "2005-06-13T04:16:29Z")
Bill O’Reilly would sue. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boxing-sucks-thats-the-bottom-line/307960/60 "2005-06-13T04:37:04Z")
One of the first fights I ever saw live as it was happening was Ray Mancini beat up and kill Duk Koo Kim. Both men fought bravely with big hearts and because they both wouldn’t quit Kim died. That’s the nature of the sport and I haven’t watched a boxing match since. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boxing-sucks-thats-the-bottom-line/307960.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boxing-sucks-thats-the-bottom-line/307960.md?page=4)