# Boy beaten in Bible study... WTF?! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 10, 2002, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-beaten-in-bible-study-wtf/118254 "2002-07-10T14:54:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2002, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-beaten-in-bible-study-wtf/118254/1 "2002-07-10T14:54:29Z")
[Link](http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/07/09/bible.study.beating/index.html) > [@](#): > > **AUSTIN, Texas (CNN) – Austin police arrested a church pastor and his twin brother Tuesday, alleging they used a tree branch to beat unconscious an 11-year-old who misbehaved in Bible class.** _ **What the fuck is their major malfunction…?!** _ How could any reasonable, or even mildly _unreasonable_, person think that this was the right thing to do?! Who the fuck allowed these junior-grade, last-class, lowest-common-denominator, microcephalic, thundering _ **SHITHOOKS** _ to become religious leaders?! Gaaah! I don’t have the vocabulary to express my rage and disgust. I just wish I could say I’m stunned… Too much of this unspeakably vile behavior has been floated about for me to be surprised anymore. I’m grateful that I can at least still be outraged by this kind of shit. The day I hear something like this and _don’t_ shudder and burn, ois the day that I’m offically dead to the world. Fortunately, the kid’s family reacted _pronto_ to get these abusive _FUCKS_ off the street, and get their child the appropriate medical care. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2002, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-beaten-in-bible-study-wtf/118254/2 "2002-07-10T15:05:13Z")
Damn, Tranquilis, simulposts on the same subject 4 minutes apart!!! I like your rant better…I was speechless. ---
**Author:** ![Tansu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/67e7ee/32.png) [@Tansu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tansu)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2002, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-beaten-in-bible-study-wtf/118254/3 "2002-07-10T15:08:02Z")
That’s just evil. Sadly, some evil people are attracted to institutions that are supposed to be there for the glory and worship of good. Society and institutions, both public and private MUST be more careful about who they allow to work with children. And fuck that, how the hell do people reach an age of reason and think it’s okay to beat anyone like that as a punishment? ---
**Author:** ![ResIpsaLoquitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b3f665/32.png) [@ResIpsaLoquitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ResIpsaLoquitor)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2002, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-beaten-in-bible-study-wtf/118254/4 "2002-07-10T15:09:50Z")
Sigh. Ghandi once said that Christians were great people, and that he’d love to meet one someday. Wonder if this pastor will go for the “eye for an eye” philosophy? ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2002, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-beaten-in-bible-study-wtf/118254/5 "2002-07-10T15:09:58Z")
Welcome to Ireland 20+ ago. Hope the bastards get what’s coming to them :mad: ---
**Author:** ![ResIpsaLoquitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b3f665/32.png) [@ResIpsaLoquitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ResIpsaLoquitor)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2002, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-beaten-in-bible-study-wtf/118254/6 "2002-07-10T15:11:52Z")
Whoops! And **yojimbo** put in the quote I paraphrased. I owe you a pint for that. ---
**Author:** ![welby1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@welby1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/welby1)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2002, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-beaten-in-bible-study-wtf/118254/7 "2002-07-10T15:16:58Z")
I vote that when the Pastor is found guilty of assaulting the child the state should “physically break” him for being an idiot. I, and my baseball bat, volunteer to assist the authorities in carrying out said sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Arden\_Ranger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b487fb/32.png) [@Arden\_Ranger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arden_Ranger)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2002, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-beaten-in-bible-study-wtf/118254/8 "2002-07-10T15:21:25Z")
> [@](#): > > Court records obtained by Reuters alleged that the beating lasted for 90 minutes, broke blood vessels and caused the boy’s kidneys to fail. The brothers allowed the child to take a break in the restroom during the reported beating, documents said. Fucking hell! It’s a wonder they didn’t kill him. 90 minutes with a tree branch… ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2002, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-beaten-in-bible-study-wtf/118254/9 "2002-07-10T15:36:08Z")
Evil, that’s what it is. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2002, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-beaten-in-bible-study-wtf/118254/10 "2002-07-10T16:21:12Z")
what got to me was that when they dropped him back w/his parents, the account I read said they told the parents that the child needed ‘further punishment’. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Maximino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e95f7d/32.png) [@Mighty\_Maximino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Maximino)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2002, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-beaten-in-bible-study-wtf/118254/11 "2002-07-10T16:41:28Z")
Hmm, I thought you might be talking about [this news story](http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1769000/1769634.stm) instead, but I’m not sure it’s been in American papers. ---
**Author:** ![CRorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@CRorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CRorex)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2002, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-beaten-in-bible-study-wtf/118254/12 "2002-07-10T16:46:42Z")
God bless them each and every one. That’ll put the fear of the good book in the kid. … Personally, I’d like to see everyone who was able to see or hear what was happening to be facing attempted murder, assault, child abuse and child endangerment charges. I’m shocked they didn’t have to pry the kid’s parents away from the pastor’s corpse. ---
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2002, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-beaten-in-bible-study-wtf/118254/13 "2002-07-10T16:48:26Z")
Yeah, that “further punnishment” bit got me, too… These CRIMINAL FUCKS obviously didn’t get that they’d just commited a heinous crime. They though they were doing “right”. How does someone so FUCKING STUPID get put in charge of a church…?! ---
**Author:** ![CRorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@CRorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CRorex)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2002, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-beaten-in-bible-study-wtf/118254/14 "2002-07-10T16:56:49Z")
Umm very easilly Tranquilis, very easilly indeed. ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2002, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-beaten-in-bible-study-wtf/118254/15 "2002-07-10T17:07:47Z")
The sad thing is, Texas has more than its fair share of religious loonies, some of whom were known to be abusive to kids (Brother [Lester Roloff](http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/texas3.htm) comes to mind). At least these yahoos will be held accountable for their actions. Robin ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2002, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-beaten-in-bible-study-wtf/118254/16 "2002-07-10T17:22:01Z")
He wasn’t taking his Bible verses “seriously?” I think these people took them a little TOO seriously! Assholes! ---
**Author:** ![El\_Elvis\_Rojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@El\_Elvis\_Rojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Elvis_Rojo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2002, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-beaten-in-bible-study-wtf/118254/17 "2002-07-10T17:41:46Z")
It wasn’t a pastor that beat him, it was his Bible Studies teacher and his brother. They’re both 23. He drove the kid from the “school”, TO HIS HOUSE, and beat him there. Suposedly, he was cheating on a Bible test. They then dropped him off at home and told the parents to discipline him further. Niether brother has accepted guilt, and their lawyer is claiming it’s all “a missunderstanding” and that the “police didn’t get all the fact right.” What? He forgot to tell the police they were kicking him while he was bleeding on the floor? GHAH!!! Both these guys should get locked away for LIFE and each put into a cell with very angry men who are both pissed off at being kept away from their sons (I’m talking loving fathers here, not child abusers. You know, the kind of hard made criminal that would rip a child molester to shreds). After listening to their lawyer talk, I feel he should get the same fucking treatment. At least it’s not the Catholics this time. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2002, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-beaten-in-bible-study-wtf/118254/18 "2002-07-10T18:48:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by El Elvis Rojo \* > \*\*At least it’s not the Catholics this time. \*\* This beating had nothing to do with religion, the Bible or anyone’s spiritual beliefs. Oh, the perps may pay lip service to such, but in truth this beating was about abuse of authority. That the authority in question was religious (certainly not Christian in action) is of no consequence. This is similar to when a schoolteacher mistreats a student, or when a sports coach molests one of his players. Trusted adult acts out, in a barbarically inappropriate manner, on an innocent child. Neither public schools, team sports, nor religion are to blame. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2002, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-beaten-in-bible-study-wtf/118254/19 "2002-07-10T19:26:47Z")
Proverbs 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes. (King James Version) ---
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2002, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-beaten-in-bible-study-wtf/118254/20 "2002-07-10T19:47:13Z")
**bordelond** makes a very valid point… This is the same condition that causes the police to brutalize a suspect that ran: “How _DARE_ they disrespect ME? It’s time for a _LESSON!_” This unfortunate kid acted like an 11 year-old, and these two scum-smoking assholes took it personally. _So_ personally, that they decided a 90 minute beating was only marginal punishment, as if _they_ had some higher _right_ to respect than anyone else. It wasn’t about religion, _per se_, it was about bloated egos and stupidity and loss of control and poorly trained, almost-kids being put in charge of actual kids, and a bloated belief that _because_ they were religious leaders, they were somehow special priviledge: “How _DARE_ this kid disrespect the Pastor?! It’s time for a _LESSON!_” **El Elvis Rojo** , unless you’ve got another source of info, you’re mistaken. The linked article _clearly_ calls the abuser out as a Pastor, and clearly states that the boy was brutalized in a private home other than his own, but does not state that the location of the beating was the home of either defendant. Do you have some other source of info…? A link, please, if you do. **Homebrew** , there’s an enormous gulf between corporal punishment and this atrocity. I personally fnd corporal punishment highly distasteful, but not to the point where I’m going to say that it is impermissable. _THIS_ event, though… [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-beaten-in-bible-study-wtf/118254.md?page=2)