# Boy, sure is rape culture around here lately **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [September 25, 2018, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876 "2018-09-25T10:03:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/181 "2018-09-26T20:38:55Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > Ford isn’t up for the Supreme Court. Kavanaugh is. Why are we talking about Ford’s judgement? Exactly! And are we in such desperate straits that we can’t take time to do an investigation into the allegations before a vote? I seem to recall a 8 member Supreme Court running just fine for about a year or so in the recent past. And the candidate doesn’t have to be perfect, but if they’ve done bad things they owned up to them, made amends where possible, and made changes afterwards. I’m not holding my breath that this administration feels the same way I do, but it seems a pretty common sentiment on the street. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/182 "2018-09-26T20:47:02Z")
I think that the lack of moderation in the elections forum speaks to the bigger problem of the rape culture on this board. We have been very accepting of rape jokes and rape hypotheticals around here. People who have pointed out this fact are shouted down. This culture is why the board is dying. It speaks to an aging male population that is often not just clueless about other views, but hostile to them so people who aren’t happy to participate within the SDMB rape culture are leaving. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/183 "2018-09-26T20:51:12Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Yep. Who commited the Crime? > > The blame falls only on the criminals not the victim. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Yep. Who commited the Crime? > > The blame falls only on the criminals not the victim. No, _legal penalties_ fall only on who committed the crime. Blame for having foolishly (or stubbornly) put themselves in harm’s way falls, as it should, upon the person who did so. This is how people learn to avoid dangerous situations. It has served humankind well to this point, and it continues to do so in every other area of human existence except, apparently, women and sex, where the expectation is being promoted that they should be able to blithely wander through life totally unconcerned about the consequences of their actions and if anything bad happens it’s all on the other guy. Even if we are to accept that this point of view is right and correct, has it not occurred to you that it will result in a great many more instances of rape and sexual abuse than would occur otherwise? For example, a person might have the right of way in an automobile accident, but they still get just as much banged up as if they didn’t. It seems to me that it profits women little to be able to afix the blame elsewhere if they wind up getting raped and abused even more as a result. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/184 "2018-09-26T21:11:25Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It seems to me that it profits women little to be able to afix the blame elsewhere if they wind up getting raped and abused even more as a result. The idea that, in a thread about an alleged attempted rape, women need you to educate them in this matter is somewhat at the root of the problem. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/185 "2018-09-26T21:11:43Z")
Women aren’t cars\*. Rape is never an accident. The analogy is offensive. \*Neither are 10 y.o. boys ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/186 "2018-09-26T21:17:55Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Happy to oblige. > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally posted by **Starving Artist** > > This is all 100% politically motivated. Ford was not harmed. Whatever groping happened, happened over her clothes. There was no skin-on-skin contact and she was able to get away fairly easily. This is not an excuse or an apology. It’s a simple statement of fact intended to keep things in perspective in an atmosphere where people were attempting to portray the incident as equivalent to factual rape. I would think any victim of actual rape would quite clearly (absent political motive otherwise) tell you that what is alleged to have happened to her was nowhere near as bad as what they experienced. Is this to say that what is alleged to have happened to Ford was not bad at all? Clearly not (and I find it ridiculous to feel I have to point that out). But there are degrees of sexual offense, and compared to other types of sexual abuse what she’s claiming to have happened was relatively…and I repeat, _relatively_…not that bad, and certainly not rape. As far as the comment about it being politically motivated, I refer once again to the liberal response to Bill Clinton, whose behavior on the same level of evidence was orders of magnitude worse than what Ford is alleging, in which it was largely the case that public outrage was nonexistent. Further, I have no doubt that were, say, Obama, to have been accused of this behavior rather than Kavanaugh, most of the posters so outraged now would be posting in a manner very similar to mine. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/187 "2018-09-26T21:24:20Z")
> [@Mr Dibble](#): > > Women aren’t cars\*. Rape is never an accident. The analogy is offensive. Please. ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/188 "2018-09-26T21:28:57Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > This is not an excuse or an apology. It’s a simple statement of fact intended to keep things in perspective in an atmosphere where people were attempting to portray the incident as equivalent to factual rape. > > I would think any victim of actual rape would quite clearly (absent political motive otherwise) tell you that what is alleged to have happened to her was nowhere near as bad as what they experienced. > > Is this to say that what is alleged to have happened to Ford was not bad at all? Clearly not (and I find it ridiculous to feel I have to point that out). But there are degrees of sexual offense, and compared to other types of sexual abuse what she’s claiming to have happened was relatively…and I repeat, _relatively_…not that bad, and certainly not rape. > > As far as the comment about it being politically motivated, I refer once again to the liberal response to Bill Clinton, whose behavior on the same level of evidence was orders of magnitude worse than what Ford is alleging, in which it was largely the case that public outrage was nonexistent. Further, I have no doubt that were, say, Obama, to have been accused of this behavior rather than Kavanaugh, most of the posters so outraged now would be posting in a manner very similar to mine. Why is this post not moderated? Please? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/189 "2018-09-26T21:42:17Z")
> [@Ulfreida](#): > > Why is this post not moderated? Please? Moderated for _what_ pray tell? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/190 "2018-09-26T21:43:19Z")
> [@Ulfrieda](#): > > Why is this post not moderated? Please? Why should it be? It relates to the way the Kavanaugh thread is moderated. I’ve been accused of claiming that what allegedly happened to Ford is no big deal, and this has led to demands that I should be moderated accordingly. I believe I am allowed to present a defense to such allegations, and that is what I did. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/191 "2018-09-26T21:52:40Z")
I just made the following comment in the Pit thread. I believe it may spell out my position a little more clearly than my explanation above, and it also calls for intellectual honesty on the part of my opponents, something badly needed in all these Kavanaugh-related threads: > [@](#): > > You (and others) keep characterizing what I said as “no big deal,” when what I actually said was that “it wasn’t that serious.” > > The distinction then? > > The comment, “not that serious,” was intended in comparison with rape, which many of the board’s [redacted] were attempting to characterize it as having been. > > And this is undeniably true. What Ford is claiming was clearly less serious than full-on rape. > > But people of your, shall we say, persuasion, have taken this perfectly innocuous and factually valid comment and attempted to construe it as though I were saying that what happened to her was “no big deal,” and that I’m attempting to normalize and minimize sexual abuse. > > What I said was correct, your interpretation is wrong, and it would behoove you on an intellectual-honesty level to acknowledge this. ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/192 "2018-09-26T21:56:15Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Why should it be? It relates to the way the Kavanaugh thread is moderated. I’ve been accused of claiming that what allegedly happened to Ford is no big deal, and this has led to demands that I should be moderated accordingly. I believe I am allowed to present a defense to such allegations, and that is what I did. Still waiting for an answer from someone other than the person who doesn’t know what he could possibly have said to incur moderation. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/193 "2018-09-26T21:58:35Z")
> [@Ulfreida](#): > > Why is this post not moderated? Please? This is a discussion of the posting rules and how a particular topic is moderated on the SDMB. Starving Artist’s opinions factor into how he thinks this topic should be moderated, and therefore his opinions, no matter how offensive they may be to others, are appropriate in this ATMB thread. That doesn’t mean that similar posts would be acceptable elsewhere on the SDMB. In fact, that’s kinda the point of this thread, to discuss exactly where the line should be drawn on these types of posts and on this topic. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/194 "2018-09-26T22:01:57Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Moderated for _what_ pray tell? Being a misogynist rape culture jerk, perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/195 "2018-09-26T22:05:16Z")
> [@engineer\_comp\_geek](#): > > This is a discussion of the posting rules and how a particular topic is moderated on the SDMB. Starving Artist’s opinions factor into how he thinks this topic should be moderated, and therefore his opinions, no matter how offensive they may be to others, are appropriate in this ATMB thread. No, **no** they are not. We don’t allow accusations of trolling here or insults. Misogynistic rape culture fantasys dont belong here either. You just don’t get it. And even I, Mr Clueless- I get it. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/196 "2018-09-26T22:06:33Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I just made the following comment in the Pit thread. I believe it may spell out my position a little more clearly than my explanation above, and it also calls for intellectual honesty on the part of my opponents, something badly needed in all these Kavanaugh-related threads: > > > [@](#): > > > > You (and others) keep characterizing what I said as “no big deal,” when what I actually said was that “it wasn’t that serious.” > > > > The distinction then? > > > > The comment, “not that serious,” was intended in comparison with rape, which many of the board’s [redacted] were attempting to characterize it as having been. > > > > And this is undeniably true. What Ford is claiming was clearly less serious than full-on rape. > > > > But people of your, shall we say, persuasion, have taken this perfectly innocuous and factually valid comment and attempted to construe it as though I were saying that what happened to her was “no big deal,” and that I’m attempting to normalize and minimize sexual abuse. > > > > What I said was correct, your interpretation is wrong, and it would behoove you on an intellectual-honesty level to acknowledge this. You also said: > [@](#): > > Well you see, in those days people were both more realistic about life and they could cope with things. It simply never occurred to the girls that anything morally wrong was going on, boys were gonna go for it and that’s just the way life was. (emphasis added) You wanna spin that as not an attempt to normalize and minimize sexual assault? > [@Starving Artist](#): > > there is nothing in Christine Ford’s history to indicate that she was traumatized at all by what she says occurred that night. I mean, sure, of course you’re gonna want to spin these things. The real question, I guess, is whether mods should buy your spin, or should ban you for your behavior, or at least mod the hell out of you for it. Edit: [Here’s his post,](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21227255#post21227255) for folks that want full context. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/197 "2018-09-26T22:16:48Z")
I’ll be happy to answer this post later but I have to leave for work now. My absence should not be taken as acknowledgment that **LHoD’s** interpretation is correct and/or indefensible. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/198 "2018-09-26T22:22:02Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’ll be happy to answer this post later but I have to leave for work now. My absence should not be taken as acknowledgment that **LHoD’s** interpretation is correct and/or indefensible. I disagree. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/199 "2018-09-26T22:23:40Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Moderated for _what_ pray tell? For being a Jerk/Troll. Use the search function, Read a couple of random posts and tell me you disagree. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/200 "2018-09-26T22:27:16Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I just made the following comment in the Pit thread. I believe it may spell out my position a little more clearly than my explanation above, and it also calls for intellectual honesty on the part of my opponents, something badly needed in all these Kavanaugh-related threads: I’m not touching you! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876.md?page=11)