# Boy, sure is rape culture around here lately **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [September 25, 2018, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876 "2018-09-25T10:03:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/201 "2018-09-26T23:11:18Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > This is not an excuse or an apology. It’s a simple statement of fact intended to keep things in perspective in an atmosphere where people were attempting to portray the incident as equivalent to factual rape. Ah. Factual rape. A worthy addition to the [GOP Rape Advisory Chart](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/9/21/1797415/-This-seems-like-a-good-point-to-dust-off-the-GOP-Rape-Advisory-Chart-again?detail=emaildkre). ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/202 "2018-09-26T23:36:25Z")
> [@engineer\_comp\_geek](#): > > This is a discussion of the posting rules and how a particular topic is moderated on the SDMB. Starving Artist’s opinions factor into how he thinks this topic should be moderated, and therefore his opinions, no matter how offensive they may be to others, are appropriate in this ATMB thread. > > That doesn’t mean that similar posts would be acceptable elsewhere on the SDMB. In fact, that’s kinda the point of this thread, to discuss exactly where the line should be drawn on these types of posts and on this topic. Since there are threads on this rape culture issue in at least four forums, are the mods at least discussing a consistent approach? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/203 "2018-09-27T00:00:14Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > For being a Jerk/Troll. > > Use the search function, Read a couple of random posts and tell me you disagree. And while you’re at it take a look at the way the board’s posters talk to me and the other conservatives on the board. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/204 "2018-09-27T00:03:41Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And while you’re at it take a look at the way the board’s posters talk to me and the other conservatives on the board. Back from work already? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/205 "2018-09-27T00:07:12Z")
Nope, on phone from work. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/206 "2018-09-27T00:09:16Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > For being a Jerk/Troll. > > Use the search function, Read a couple of random posts and tell me you disagree. What was offensive about post #188? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/207 "2018-09-27T00:35:02Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And while you’re at it take a look at the way the board’s posters talk to me and the other conservatives on the board. Being shoved into a room by an older, drunk kid, held down, hand put over your mouth while the kid tries to take off your clothes, and escaping only when his drunk friend knocks him to the ground? Not all that serious. You wanna see serious, take a look at the way people talk to Starving Artist! ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/208 "2018-09-27T00:46:02Z")
I actually went and defended a conservative poster from accusations of being a rape apologist. So don’t try to pretend that is the problem. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/209 "2018-09-27T01:21:33Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > What was offensive about post #188? Nothing wrong with 188.😕 ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/210 "2018-09-27T01:42:34Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Might we have some sort of indication as to what rape “apology” consists of, as I am genuinely unaware of anyone taking up for or excusing rape in any way. I’m not going to provide a recipe on how to be a rape apologist just shy of sanction. I recommend taking a wide berth. A little while ago someone linked to an excellent article about how the [AskHistorians banned holocaust deniers](https://slate.com/technology/2018/07/the-askhistorians-subreddit-banned-holocaust-deniers-and-facebook-should-too.html) from their subreddit. While I would never make comparisons between these different types of things, I found the article informative and persuasive. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Further, official sanction of one side of an argument results not in debate or discussion but only in proselytism. How are we supposed to fight ignorance or engage in debate if only one side of an issue can be heard from? Let me be clear - there is only one viable side to the argument about rape apology. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/211 "2018-09-27T02:08:27Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Let me be clear - there is only one viable side to the argument about rape apology. Indeed. The nightmare scenario SA describes–in which nobody is around the boards anymore to trivialize rape and to imply that those traumatized by violent rape attempts are weaklings–could, _just possibly_, wind up not being such a nightmare after all. It may be that, absent the argument over whether attempted rape is immoral, we could still find things to disagree about. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/212 "2018-09-27T02:42:16Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Indeed. The nightmare scenario SA describes–in which nobody is around the boards anymore to trivialize rape and to imply that those traumatized by violent rape attempts are weaklings–could, _just possibly_, wind up not being such a nightmare after all. It may be that, absent the argument over whether attempted rape is immoral, we could still find things to disagree about. Aside from some that despicably advocate for prison rape as an extrajudicial punishment is anyone actually trivializing rape? That’s a serious accusation to level and cites would be nice. And is anyone really asserting that attempted rape is a moral act? Surely, with the amount of threads on this subject you could find a few definitive and topical cites. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/213 "2018-09-27T02:54:30Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Aside from some that despicably advocate for prison rape as an extrajudicial punishment is anyone actually trivializing rape? That’s a serious accusation to level and cites would be nice. And is anyone really asserting that attempted rape is a moral act? > > Surely, with the amount of threads on this subject you could find a few definitive and topical cites. post 196 I should add that you’re likely to disagree and to try to carve some daylight between my paraphrase and SA’s words. I’m not particularly concerned about your efforts to do so, and I wish you luck in this endeavor. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/214 "2018-09-27T03:11:04Z")
Posts 183, 186 & 191. _Blame for having foolishly (or stubbornly) put themselves in harm’s way falls, as it should, upon the person who did so. … Even if we are to accept that this point of view is right and correct, has it not occurred to you that it will result in a great many more instances of rape and sexual abuse than would occur otherwise? It seems to me that it profits women little to be able to afix the blame elsewhere if they wind up getting raped and abused even more as a result. \* I_t’s a simple statement of fact intended to keep things in perspective in an atmosphere where people were attempting to portray the incident as equivalent to factual rape. I would think any victim of actual rape would quite clearly (absent political motive otherwise) tell you that what is alleged to have happened to her was nowhere near as bad as what they experienced. Is this to say that what is alleged to have happened to Ford was not bad at all? Clearly not (and I find it ridiculous to feel I have to point that out). But there are degrees of sexual offense, and compared to other types of sexual abuse what she’s claiming to have happened was relatively…and I repeat, relatively…not that bad, and certainly not rape. - \*The comment, “not that serious,” was intended in comparison with rape, which many of the board’s [redacted] were attempting to characterize it as having been. And this is undeniably true. What Ford is claiming was clearly less serious than full-on rape.\* _It simply never occurred to the girls that anything morally wrong was going on, boys were gonna go for it and that’s just the way life was…there is nothing in Christine Ford’s history to indicate that she was traumatized at all by what she says occurred that night._ ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/215 "2018-09-27T03:14:22Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > post 196 > > I should add that you’re likely to disagree and to try to carve some daylight between my paraphrase and SA’s words. I’m not particularly concerned about your efforts to do so, and I wish you luck in this endeavor. If that’s your cite that’s your cite. I’m anti crime but I’m for discussing difficult topics even if it makes people uncomfortable. Some things are hard to reconcile with general rules and these discussions have utility. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/216 "2018-09-27T04:01:03Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > What was offensive about post #188? Perfect timing. I was wondering when you were going to show up. ---
**Author:** ![Rico](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rico/32/3582_2.png) [@Rico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rico)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/217 "2018-09-27T04:05:01Z")
\ OK. I think this has gone on a bit too long and gotten a bit too heated. I’m going to talk to the other moderators and get other opinions. I’m shutting this down for the moment. Probably not for more than 24 hours, but we’ll see. Personally, I think it’s off the rails for ATMB. But we’ll see. Closing for the time being. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876/218 "2018-09-27T04:50:15Z")
**Moderating** > [@expectopatronum](#): > > No one has ever mentioned safe spaces except for the pro-misogyny tards/trolls, like yourself. I know this thread had gottn way too heated, but we still have a rule against insults outside The BBQ Pit. This is going to get you a Warning. In future threads on this topic, please refrain from getting insulting and personal. [/Moderating] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boy-sure-is-rape-culture-around-here-lately/821876.md?page=10)