# Boycott Star Trek 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 27, 2013, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126 "2013-03-27T19:13:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2013, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/181 "2013-03-30T07:05:37Z")
> [@Frumpy\_Jones](#): > > Funny you mention V’ger and the Borg… > > Just this evening some friends and i were speakign about the ST-verse and one of them suggested that a good idea for a ST movie/show/spinoff would be the introduction to the borg.. How they began with an ernest desire to help, and ultimatly became the assimilating beasts in cubes… > > And that to make their start, it begins with the bald chick and the guy from 7th heaven merging at the end of ST:TMP… they get trans-warped/wormholed through space and time… The “Shatnerverse” novels (written by William Shatner with a lot of heavy lifting courtesy of Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens) actually incorporate the “V’ger is the Borg” theory. “The Return” specifically has Kirk going back to V’Ger to throw a big switch and destroy the Borg. Star Trek (2009) did incorporate some of this in the comics. Nero’s mining ship is enhanced with Borg tech and he visits V’ger at one point to get some intel on Spock. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2013, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/182 "2013-03-30T07:37:45Z")
He had Borg tech _and_ red matter and he _still_ needed to get “access codes” (or whatever) from Pike? “Hmm, my aircraft carrier has been tossed backward in time 75 years and I really feel like giving those Japanese what-for. I better learn some Japanese passwords in case my awesomely ridiculously awesome technical advantage doesn’t prove quite as awesomely ridiculously awesome enough and I only win in 30 seconds instead of an awesomely ridiculously awesome 27 seconds.” ---
**Author:** ![Harvey\_The\_Heavy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Harvey\_The\_Heavy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harvey_The_Heavy)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2013, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/183 "2013-03-30T08:49:08Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > He had Borg tech _and_ red matter and he _still_ needed to get “access codes” (or whatever) from Pike? > > “Hmm, my aircraft carrier has been tossed backward in time 75 years and I really feel like giving those Japanese what-for. I better learn some Japanese passwords in case my awesomely ridiculously awesome technical advantage doesn’t prove quite as awesomely ridiculously awesome enough and I only win in 30 seconds instead of an awesomely ridiculously awesome 27 seconds.” Aw, damn. I forgot about the “access codes”. That was pretty lame. Why wouldn’t Vulcan have similar codes? Still didn’t ruin the movie for me though. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2013, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/184 "2013-03-30T10:16:13Z")
I thought the 2009 Trek movie was pretty good but not great. A decent action movie with a likable cast. I will consider seeing the new one if friends ask me to go see it. I am not a big fan of TOS at all (too dated for me when I’ve tried to watch it and the movies), but love TNG and VOY. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2013, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/185 "2013-03-30T18:48:04Z")
> [@Harvey\_The\_Heavy](#): > > Still didn’t ruin the movie for me though. It was one point of six or seven that ruined it for me. ---
**Author:** ![furryman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/furryman/32/99_2.png) [@furryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furryman)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2013, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/186 "2013-03-30T22:31:15Z")
That’s right, go ahead, take the easy shots, make fun of the fanboy. But here’s the real reason I hated Star Trek (by J. Abrams) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15397576&postcount=46](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15397576&postcount=46) ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2013, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/187 "2013-03-30T22:35:03Z")
Except you’re wrong - as far as I can see, the only people who \*didn’t \*like the movie were Star Trek fans. The filmmakers may have made some mistakes, but pandering to the Trekkies wasn’t one of them. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2013, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/188 "2013-03-30T22:46:47Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Except you’re wrong - as far as I can see, the only people who \*didn’t \*like the movie were Star Trek fans. The filmmakers may have made some mistakes, but pandering to the Trekkies wasn’t one of them. That’s Trek **ERS** , fanboy breath! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/189 "2013-03-31T00:26:29Z")
Yes, most Trekkies I know, like me and my wife, liked it. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/190 "2013-03-31T00:43:18Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > Yes, most Trekkies I know, like me and my wife, liked it. I certainly enjoyed it, and I’m a big Trek fan. But I evaluated the movie the same way I evaluate _every_ movie I watch, by one simple criterion: “Did it entertain me?” That’s it. Plot holes? Less-than-perfect CGI? Continuity errors? I don’t care. If I leave the theater not regretting my decision to buy a ticket, I’m satisfied. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/191 "2013-03-31T00:59:52Z")
Heck, I could plausibly be called a Trek fan, but my reasons for disliking the movie have nothing to do with any past viewing habits. The plot elements I disliked could easily have been in a non-Trek film, and that film would be, in my opinion, just as bad. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/192 "2013-03-31T01:05:06Z")
Mrs. Plant (v.2.0) liked it, but she has a thing about young, sexy Vulcan males. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/193 "2013-03-31T02:13:42Z")
On a story level, I hated the “reboot.” It had plot holes big enough to fly a Borg Cube through, without even slowing to Impulse. On an acting level, I loved it. The main three (Pine/Kirk, Quinto/Spock, Urban/McCoy) just nailed their characters, and the “other four” (Saldana/Uhura, Cho/Sulu, Pegg/Scott, Yelchin/Chekov) were also very strong. The pacing was good, the effects gorgeous, and finally, the Big-E does beam-spam the way it’s supposed to be done! Match _that,_ Iron Man! So, on a two-out-of-three scale, it was a plus. I’ll give the second one a chance. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/194 "2013-03-31T02:23:17Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > (Saldana/Uhura, Cho/Sulu, Pegg/Scott, Yelchin/Chekov) were also very strong. Well, yeah. I mean, Sulu had advanced hand-to-hand combat training. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/195 "2013-03-31T02:51:55Z")
> [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](#): > > I’m currently listening to Mr. Cumberbatch read _The Memoirs of Casanova._ Wow. Yeah. That man… _fans self_ I don’t know from handsome, I seem to be going through a period when I prefer red-headed women, and I know his natural hair color is red, but his looks don’t really work as a ginger. Dark hair works better with the planes of his face, though the black shoe polish he wears in _Sherlock_ is too fake. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/196 "2013-04-17T01:44:21Z")
> **[Star Trek Into Darkness - Movie Trailers - iTunes](https://trailers.apple.com/trailers/paramount/startrekintodarkness/)** > > In Summer 2013, pioneering director J.J. Abrams will deliver an explosive action thriller that takes Star Trek Into Darkness. When the crew of the Enterprise is called back home, they find an unstoppable force of terror from within their own... nope, not going to boycott, gotta see which captain goes down with his ship! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/197 "2013-04-17T03:36:36Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > [Apple TV+](http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/paramount/startrekintodarkness/) > > nope, not going to boycott, gotta see which captain goes down with his ship! Not clogging up the laptop with Quicktime. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/198 "2013-04-17T04:35:41Z")
[Here you go.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=5ec_rPApKCA) ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/199 "2013-04-17T06:02:17Z")
I’m finding the way the bad guy’s mouth moves when he speaks to be very annoying. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/200 "2013-04-17T06:46:30Z")
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